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    Dank der Migration schrumpft die Bevölkerung Italiens nach zwölf Jahren nicht mehr

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    1. zek_997 on

      „Yes but actually this is bad because there’s more brown people and brown people are bad because reasons“ – r/europe

    2. Future-Cause-9577 on

      And there was welfare.

      Poor lads. Mogadishu on the mediterrianean.

    5. Fanhunter4ever on

      Some people use to forget that white europeans had to migrate too to escape misery in the past…

    6. Careless-Situation68 on

      i dont think thats a good thing long term for italian culture. but we’ll see.

    8. Visual_Title9363 on

      I look forward to a future headline, ‚Ukraine population stops shrinking after war, thanks to Russian migration and occupation.‘

      🙃

    9. DemoneScimmia on

      Wait what? But but but … Italian leftist redditors told me that Italy’s government is a fascist one, how can it be?

    15. Insane_Dedalo_7891 on

      Italian young expat here. Sadly, many times we are forced to leave the country for both career opportunity and survivability. As a PhD researcher the “offer” I received in Italy was 500 euros per month paid every 6 months ( so basically 3k every 6 months) to work more than 8h a day, including Saturdays and sundays for 4 years. Considering that the average rent in the city the offer was from is around 800 euros per month it’s just impossible. The problem is that Italian people keep electing the same politicians that slowly destroyed the country since 1994 and we all pay the consequences for that.

    18. TWVer on

      A lot of commenters here don’t seem to understand that a country with an increasingly elderly population and low birth numbers, requires immigration to stave off economic collapse.

      Without enough young people working to provide economic output, the eldery would be left without the pensions, health and social services they increasingly depend on in old age.

      Cultural hegemony is a luxury a shrinking “native” population can’t any longer afford.

    20. poorat8686 on

      The population within Italy has increased yes, the Italian population is still decreasing. I’m sure overcrowding and depressed wages are great for birth rates. At least old people get to keep their pensions for 10 years though, it’s worth 100* years of civil unrest and terror for their descendants.

    21. itisbarbedwire on

      I don’t understand why population decline is inherently a problem. Rather than trying to boost fertility, society should be developing systems and industry that will enable the managing of a lopsided distribution. Trying to fix it with immigration is ridiculous. Make the main industry caring for the older generations – until the birth/death ratio equalises.

    25. Moug-10 on

      If there are not enough children born, migration is almost mandatory in order not to lose population. Japan is the prime example. You have three choices

      * Give incentives to people to have children : better schools, hospitals, food stamps, monthly financial helps, etc

      * Migration to balance things out

      * Let the population shrink, get older and let children figure things out.

    26. SleKel on

      Second and third generation tend to converge to the fertility rate of the country they live in instead of that of their parents’ so even immigration is not a fix for a fault system

    27. Svensk_Bulle on

      *50 years later*
      What?! Ethnic Italians are now on the verge of becoming a minority in their own country?

    29. Rosencrown21 on

      Here in Denmark almost every pizzaria is owned by turks or arabs. Didn’t know the same was happening in Italy…

    30. IlIIllIlllIIIllI on

      Why not improve the economy allowing for people to have more kids and rely on automation in the meantime?

      Seems like commonsense…

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