Kellogg nennt die NATO „Feiglinge“ und schlägt ein neues Bündnis einschließlich der Ukraine vor
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/73135
Kellogg nennt die NATO „Feiglinge“ und schlägt ein neues Bündnis einschließlich der Ukraine vor
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/73135
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US, weekend is starting, leave some news for the next week…
Stick to making corn flakes loser
The same Germany and Poland that have also refused to participate in the orange shit stain’s Epstein distraction war?
These cunts are all dumb as fuck.
Just to remind everyone yet again:
NATO is a defensive alliance. There’s no obligation to for member countries to assist when another member attacks someone.
Lmao, shure buddy.
If Ukraine is such a good aly why you ain’t supporting it , not even selling them weapons,and keep telling them to surender?
NATO is a defensive alliance.
Why would any of these other countries want to join a different alliance that seems to require them to go to random wars at America’s behest? …or drags the US into some other countries local spat.
In fact, why even leave NATO to start a this new alliance? It’s not like you can’t be in many clubs at the same time…
Kellogg outlined a possible alternative bloc that could include countries willing to take a more active military role, naming Japan, Australia, Germany, Poland, and Ukraine among potential partners.
Yeah none of them are helping US in any wars. What the hell is he smoking…
Never been insulted by a cereal before
I’m sorry, but NATO has nothing to do with Iran. I’m an American, and even if we’re all a bunch of dumb hicks, it should be obvious to us all – like it is to me – that NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. It’s not a regime change alliance, it is not an offensive oopsie alliance, it is not an agreement that the Iran war falls into whatsoever. This war is extremely unpopular. I don’t even know what they’re going for with this type of argument.
Bro… NATO wasn’t built to care about global security challenges. The region it cares about it is in the fucking name!!
I feel like Kellogg misunderstands what NATO is. It’s not there for America to go out and pick fights on a whim with half the world. If Canada decides to bomb Chile without telling anyone in NATO they are going to do so, can Canada demand that America come in and finish the war for Canada? No? Fuck of Kellogg, you guys fucked this one up hard.
Let’s see now. A powerful economic and military bloc which also possesses impulse control and respects the laws and norms of international relations are cowardly for refusing to join a catastrophically foolish, ill planned and cripplingly expensive illegal venture at the whim of an irrational politician who was very determined to avoid military service? And this is a statement from a man who expects to be taken seriously? Aye right, pal.
if they wanted countries to join in on their fight they should have worked that out before hand
Crazy this man brings up Ukraine. Really drives the point of who abandoned who first. The U.S. abandoned the Ukraine war (by abruptly stopping material support), the greatest threat to European peace and security since the end of the Cold War, and expected Europe to stand by the U.S. in Iran.
It’s interesting to see the change of rhetoric from the hawks now when Trump has gone from Peace President to full-on warlord. I remembered this quote from JD Vance from last year and posted it in another thread:
>“I think a lot of European nations were right about our invasion of Iraq. And frankly, if the Europeans had been a little more independent, and a little more willing to stand up, then maybe we could have saved the entire world from the strategic disaster that was the American-led invasion of Iraq.“
This was official US policy a year ago. „Challenge us! Stand up for yourself! It was kind of your fault that we invaded Iraq“. Now it’s the complete opposite. Everyone should just throw themselves into whatever the hell the US is doing without thought or questioning. The US didn’t consult with anyone in NATO. Didn’t plan anything. Did not need their help at all.
I used to have a bit of respect for Kellogg because he seemed to be the only person who cared about Ukraine. But he’s completely insulated from reality if he thinks any of the US’s traditional allies would sign up for an alliance that would force them into wars such as Iran and when US policy can make complete U-turns the next year.
Maybe they are, but they’re far smarter than the US. And it’s smart to be smart, believe it not. The US Congress ratified the appointment of an emotional 8-year-old in charge of the world’s largest military. I want him tried for the video-game style 1st degree murders off South America.
They will see NATO in action when Turkey is attacked by Israel or the United States attacks Greenland
The point of NATO is that they are a **defensive** alliance, the war in Iran had the U.S. (and Israel) going on the **offensive**.
Hell, the only time NATO’s Article 5 has been invoked was the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan.
I mean… if you want to form a coalition that wants to police rogue states, maybe you should have done that before starting an illegal war. Rather than whining about no one helping you have you after you did zero diplomacy to establish allies in the action.
How about nato minus the states but adding Ukraine, South Korea, Japan, Australia and New Zealand?
Hey if the EU wants to suggest this, by all means let them. But I hope Ukraine knows better than to take a US envoy at their word by now.
WTF, this dude was the sanest person in this admin with regards to Ukraine – and didn’t get his way…
I wasn’t there. Was he laughed off the stage?
Why should everyone else “help”the US with a war it started? Don and Pete have been bragging about US military might so why do they need help? They’ll be fine until they run out of missiles (oops)
The US failed to adequately respond to Russia and Kellogg knows this. Quit these fucking theatrics.
The US is likely to attack member states right now and threatened to do so less than 8 weeks ago..
Why would anyone partner with the USA? We are full of shit.
Kellogg is extremely pro-Ukraine and just says what he thinks is best for them in ways the MAGA crowd finds persuasive.
Think about it. If you had to find one way to convince a MAGA person to support an alliance with Ukraine, what would you say? It would probably something like „They know how to fight, aren’t afraid to fight, and did more against Iran than anyone else in Europe.“
I am sorry, not sorry, but if war of Russia against Ukraine is purely a European problem from american standpoint, then Iran is not European headache for sure.
Not one of Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Japan or Australia trust the US anymore. I guarantee it.
A bullshit “proposal” to cause division. Anything the US proposes would be nothing but a Trump Personal army with absolutely no guarantees from the US.
And I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this new “alliance” ends up as a US/Russia alliance and this is just the first manipulation of the public. And would just keep walking us towards world war because Trump and his cronies will get absolutely played by the Russians as usual.
NATO is for defence only. It is not for bailing out cowards, who start fights because their little friend told him to.
If US leaves NATO all other countries mentioned will stay or join it. With Greenland fresh in memory they understand there are new dangers.
US and Israel can team up with the countries that are members of the Peace Board which gave so much support fighting Iran.
So now Ukraine has cards and suits? What a bunch of fucking douchebags.
Trump is primarily upset because without a coalition the US is on the hook for all the costs. Supporting a new regime is going to cost billions, and Israel is gonna leave that up to the US since they already need monetary support from the US. This is a money pit and Trump’s people know it.
Who the fuck is this yapping sentient cornflake?
Americas like the drunk guy in town shouting at pigeons with a can of Stella.
Ain’t nobody outside of the US listening fucker.
This war is exposing the blatant ignorance of so many people in this country, the concept and purpose of NATO is quite simple, it’s a defensive alliance. No wonder the US elected an uneducated pedophile. Great Again yea right!
Cool, do that! Go defend Ukraine then like we told you to.
The dumbass Fox News general says this, apparently without even listening to his own words:
>“NATO’s turn[ing] [out] to be cowards,” Kellogg said, adding: “Maybe we need to have a new NATO, a new defensive establishment.”
„Defensive establishment“. Does he not know what the words mean? There is no ‚defense‘ for an offensive war of choice, when it didn’t even have a weak premise to instigate the war.
KELLOGG?? Why does my freakin cereal have a political opinion?? Get back into your bowl and STFU!!!!
That’s certainly a perspective a person can have.
NATO isn’t an ATTACK alliance or agreement
It’s a DEFENCE alliance!!
No NATO country are OBLIGATED sto JOIN TRUMPs illegal war with Israel & TRUMP has gotten his ass into TROUBLE & he is TERRIFIED she F-ed UP!!
Europe needs to stand on its own two feet and stop being dependant on the US. They should at least match the defence budgets of their neighbours and enemies. The US should understand that they have used up their soft power long ago and no-one is coming to their aid while the village idiot/court jester is in charge.
Sounds great. Go start defending ukraine directly