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    1. BulwarkOnline on

      In President Trump’s mind, the failure of our allies to provide unquestioning support reinforces the argument he has made since 2015: that NATO is a bad deal, that allies are not “[paying their way](https://nypost.com/2019/12/03/trump-issues-nato-warning-allies-who-dont-pitch-in-will-be-dealt-with/),” and that the United States is carrying a disproportionate burden for nations unwilling to defend themselves.

      None of those claims is valid. What matters in war—and in deterrence—is capability.

    2. It seems to be safer for the rest of the world, if the USA is not part of the alliance.

    3. SoloWingPixy88 on

      Is NATO even considered trust worthy? If Lithuania is attacked and invokes article 5, do we think allies will respond beyond eastern Europe

    4. AldrichOfAlbion on

      I don’t think America should quit NATO, but there is evidence that the dynamic of NATO has signficantly changed since the 1950s. In the 1950s, NATO was not just facing against Russia, it was facing the entirety of the USSR, an active, communist entity whose core principle was funding and spreading the principles of revolution all over the world.

      The fight against the USSR in Europe was not just a fight between Europeans and Russians, it was a fight between Mexican communists and the US, it was a fight between Cuban communists and the US. Every single country which was communist was a potential satellite and threat to the US.

      Modern day Russia has no tangible value system which attracts other countries. It can promise a convergence of interests but even that has been severely tested in the past few years. If anything, all the ’satellites‘ of Russia that posed actual threats to America have been neutered or proven paper tigers.

      The war in Ukraine has been presented as an existential threat to the West. For the Europeans, it might be an existential threat if Russia invades. For America however, it is not an existential threat. Russia taking Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia and even Poland brings it no closer to America’s borders.

      Missile technology has also made proximity almost irrelevant. In the 1950s, missiles had much much shorter ranges than they do now. Europe was a missile base for the US.

      In the modern day, the US has much longer range missiles, meaning it could strike from anywhere else. It does not need Europe as much as it once did.

    5. NATO is already dead. No-one can seriously believe the US would help a NATO allied, unless Trump deemed it to be in his personal interest – which he almost certainly wouldn’t.

      We’re kind of lucky* that Russia is so bogged down in Ukraine, otherwise they’d be more seriously prodding NATO countries to see what they could get away with. Trump would be making excuses for them.

      ( * Obviously this is not lucky for Ukraine. Sorry.)

    6. Master-Weight-2676 on

      A lot of Europeans would prefer if the US just left Europe entirely. Take all their military bases with them. Europe has a big enough military industry and population to defend itself.

    7. If the US pulls out of NATO then thats a hell of a big intelligence network to give up.

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