what are they gonna talk about ? sanctioning US and Israel to stop the attacks ? Is there anything these 35-37 countries can do to open the strait ?
Own_Replacement8933 on
This is a pretty big deal, not just because the strait is effectively shut, but because the US is actively sitting it out. Trump basically told everyone „go get your own oil“ and the UK actually called that bluff.
The two-phase plan makes sense on paper, diplomacy first then military cleanup after a ceasefire. But the elephant in the room is Iran. They’re still launching missiles and have zero incentive to negotiate while the strait is their best leverage. And without US warships in the mix, a 35-nation coalition is mostly just a lot of countries agreeing that someone else should fix the problem.
Also worth noting: several of those 35 nations (like Australia) have openly said their navies aren’t really ready for this kind of high-intensity mission. So the gap between political will and actual capability is pretty wide.
Realistically, this is the UK doing damage control and trying to keep global energy markets from totally collapsing. But until there’s a ceasefire, the strait stays shut and Iran knows it.
Squeezy_Lemon on
The orangutan created a deadlock situation and washed his hands.
Frozefoots on
„Go get your own oil!“
UK: Okay. Hey, 35 countries, we’re going to see how to get our own oil, you in?
35 countries: Bet!
Incoming Truth Social meltdown about how unfair this all is?
scarab1001 on
It won’t work whilst America trying to decide what it’s war aims actually were. May not work after that either.
But after the abject failure of America at least someone is beginning to think how to de-escalate the mess the Orange Cockwomble created.
dpwtr on
They will shift further from the US and make deals with Iran via China (and probably India) to resolve it as soon as possible with no military action. Both China and Iran will be receptive because all that matters is making the US look like this entire excursion wasn’t worth it, but they’ll still make a play to bring an end to the Petrodollar.
cheesesilver on
You’re all missing the point – they will just make a deal to pay a toll per ship and Iran will be the new master of the Strait moving forward.
ProfetF9 on
Trump: EU better spend more on defence, they are a paper tiger
EU spends more but buy from EU countries
Trump: NOT LIKE THAT 🙁
SqareBear on
They should invite Iran. Im not kidding.
Razzler1973 on
Would be funny is diplomacy wins the day. The US pull out, declaring ‚victory‘, everyone nods at them while side-eyeing each other behind their backs
Everyone else has access and the US has to pay various fees for vessels through the Straits
I know it *won’t* happen like that but it’d be funny
_x_oOo_x_ on
The longer term solution is phasing out fossil fuels completely ([currently](https://grid.iamkate.com) only 15.6% of the UK’s electricity comes from fossil fuels, so the major remaining frontier is vehicles). China as always will be the winner as the largest manufacturer of solar panels, batteries, EVs, wind turbines and so on.
International-Ad3147 on
May actually be a productive convo
ZenBreaking on
Everybodys ships except the US can pass through
Opening_Dog_570 on
Just going to talk drink some wine, spend tax payer money and resolve nothing. As usual
stowgood on
Just agree anything but American boats or boats bound for America can use it.
They elected a war mongering child rapist. They can have the concequences.
imthefakeagent on
Best investment Russia ever made.
caractacusbritannica on
I really hope they sort a peaceful opening of the straight. Trump will rage, the oil will flow.
Nikiaf on
We’re witnessing in real time the establishment of a new world order. The West is now building itself as a united front, *without* the US.
saulsa_ on
Trump couldn’t make it anyways, he has a Bored Of Peace meeting that day, and they’re going to McDonalds afterwards.
SkipsH on
The UK seems to be doing a really good job of being a diplomatic centre for a lot of conversation recently.
SP1570 on
Israel and the US declared war on the world order and eventually a new one must come out it…maybe not the one they would have wanted.
10pencefredo on
Come on guys. Pull together and make a non-combative deal with Iran. If the US are not part of it or we have to pay in Yuan, that’s on the US. They alienated themselves. We need to face up to their new future. I just hope Iran will be on board.
OldLondon on
If Starmer gets a peace prize it will be the best thing ever – Trump will legit explode
BecauseBatman01 on
Honestly if I was in government I would come to realize you can’t trust Trump for anything. Dude just goes with the flow of whoever is throwing money at him and is quick to bite back at you at a moments whim.
It’s best to just find solutions outside of the US and get them back in the table once Trump is out of office. You just can’t deal with people like him.
iloveFjords on
Just pay the toll. Iran has been sanctioned for decades.
ricktaylor78 on
It’s simple: Don’t attack Iran and don’t be an ally of US
lm28ness on
Imagine Iran allowing all ships to pass free of charge except those that head to the US or Israel, but I wonder how they would enforce something like that.
cecirdr on
The world is re-globalizing without us. We are now a pariah. Maybe we thought we’d deglobalize the world and knock everyone down, but instead, they’ll just make their deals with each other and leave us out. We are in for a world of hurt.
So much winning! /s
nothingeverhappens91 on
What people need to understand is there are three countries who run the world. The US, Russia, & China. There’s nothing these small european countries can do. They’ve had eighty years to build up their military and instead remained reliant on the US. Europe put themselves between a rock and a hard place. These „talks“ are just lip service to voters who are half paying attention and will amount to nothing. By the end of the month Europe will be fully involved in the middle east simply because they have no other choice.
Ok_Rip_2119 on
Just block all USA related ships and let others go through.
milkonyourmustache on
Everyone should really just abandon the petrodollar, it’s the perfect opportunity to do so. The US has abused their position of priviledge for long enough.
Confident-Visual7651 on
The one to cause this whole mess just decides not to show up to school the day its time to have the talk.
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what are they gonna talk about ? sanctioning US and Israel to stop the attacks ? Is there anything these 35-37 countries can do to open the strait ?
This is a pretty big deal, not just because the strait is effectively shut, but because the US is actively sitting it out. Trump basically told everyone „go get your own oil“ and the UK actually called that bluff.
The two-phase plan makes sense on paper, diplomacy first then military cleanup after a ceasefire. But the elephant in the room is Iran. They’re still launching missiles and have zero incentive to negotiate while the strait is their best leverage. And without US warships in the mix, a 35-nation coalition is mostly just a lot of countries agreeing that someone else should fix the problem.
Also worth noting: several of those 35 nations (like Australia) have openly said their navies aren’t really ready for this kind of high-intensity mission. So the gap between political will and actual capability is pretty wide.
Realistically, this is the UK doing damage control and trying to keep global energy markets from totally collapsing. But until there’s a ceasefire, the strait stays shut and Iran knows it.
The orangutan created a deadlock situation and washed his hands.
„Go get your own oil!“
UK: Okay. Hey, 35 countries, we’re going to see how to get our own oil, you in?
35 countries: Bet!
Incoming Truth Social meltdown about how unfair this all is?
It won’t work whilst America trying to decide what it’s war aims actually were. May not work after that either.
But after the abject failure of America at least someone is beginning to think how to de-escalate the mess the Orange Cockwomble created.
They will shift further from the US and make deals with Iran via China (and probably India) to resolve it as soon as possible with no military action. Both China and Iran will be receptive because all that matters is making the US look like this entire excursion wasn’t worth it, but they’ll still make a play to bring an end to the Petrodollar.
You’re all missing the point – they will just make a deal to pay a toll per ship and Iran will be the new master of the Strait moving forward.
Trump: EU better spend more on defence, they are a paper tiger
EU spends more but buy from EU countries
Trump: NOT LIKE THAT 🙁
They should invite Iran. Im not kidding.
Would be funny is diplomacy wins the day. The US pull out, declaring ‚victory‘, everyone nods at them while side-eyeing each other behind their backs
Everyone else has access and the US has to pay various fees for vessels through the Straits
I know it *won’t* happen like that but it’d be funny
The longer term solution is phasing out fossil fuels completely ([currently](https://grid.iamkate.com) only 15.6% of the UK’s electricity comes from fossil fuels, so the major remaining frontier is vehicles). China as always will be the winner as the largest manufacturer of solar panels, batteries, EVs, wind turbines and so on.
May actually be a productive convo
Everybodys ships except the US can pass through
Just going to talk drink some wine, spend tax payer money and resolve nothing. As usual
Just agree anything but American boats or boats bound for America can use it.
They elected a war mongering child rapist. They can have the concequences.
Best investment Russia ever made.
I really hope they sort a peaceful opening of the straight. Trump will rage, the oil will flow.
We’re witnessing in real time the establishment of a new world order. The West is now building itself as a united front, *without* the US.
Trump couldn’t make it anyways, he has a Bored Of Peace meeting that day, and they’re going to McDonalds afterwards.
The UK seems to be doing a really good job of being a diplomatic centre for a lot of conversation recently.
Israel and the US declared war on the world order and eventually a new one must come out it…maybe not the one they would have wanted.
Come on guys. Pull together and make a non-combative deal with Iran. If the US are not part of it or we have to pay in Yuan, that’s on the US. They alienated themselves. We need to face up to their new future. I just hope Iran will be on board.
If Starmer gets a peace prize it will be the best thing ever – Trump will legit explode
Honestly if I was in government I would come to realize you can’t trust Trump for anything. Dude just goes with the flow of whoever is throwing money at him and is quick to bite back at you at a moments whim.
It’s best to just find solutions outside of the US and get them back in the table once Trump is out of office. You just can’t deal with people like him.
Just pay the toll. Iran has been sanctioned for decades.
It’s simple: Don’t attack Iran and don’t be an ally of US
Imagine Iran allowing all ships to pass free of charge except those that head to the US or Israel, but I wonder how they would enforce something like that.
The world is re-globalizing without us. We are now a pariah. Maybe we thought we’d deglobalize the world and knock everyone down, but instead, they’ll just make their deals with each other and leave us out. We are in for a world of hurt.
So much winning! /s
What people need to understand is there are three countries who run the world. The US, Russia, & China. There’s nothing these small european countries can do. They’ve had eighty years to build up their military and instead remained reliant on the US. Europe put themselves between a rock and a hard place. These „talks“ are just lip service to voters who are half paying attention and will amount to nothing. By the end of the month Europe will be fully involved in the middle east simply because they have no other choice.
Just block all USA related ships and let others go through.
Everyone should really just abandon the petrodollar, it’s the perfect opportunity to do so. The US has abused their position of priviledge for long enough.
The one to cause this whole mess just decides not to show up to school the day its time to have the talk.