This article is almost useless. Doesn’t clearly state the problem/risks Toyota is seeing and reacting to, only mentions this four paragraphs in…
> The problem isn’t just one thing, either. It’s everything, everywhere, all at once. Chinese automakers are gaining ground quickly and setting a new standard for manufacturing costs. Software is becoming a core part of cutting-edge vehicle. Tariffs are still a thing. The auto industry has seen more upheaval in the last few years than it did over the last several decades.
Toyota is just seeing cost and pricing pressure. That’s all.
Their solution?
> The brand is implementing something that it calls „Smart Standard Activity.“ This is meant to slash overly-engineered quality standards and lower costs. Essentially, Toyota believes it will lower the price of its components and cut back on wasted parts.
AKA bean counting – putting finance people in charge of engineering and product decisions. The very thing that rotted the US automotive industry’s market dominance over a few decades.
Also similar to putting insurance companies in charge of healthcare decisions. See how well that works out for patient outcomes in the US 🙂
Good job, Toyota. Abandon the one thing you’re known for, but still not be able to compete with Chinese vehicles on price because you don’t have a labor cost advantage.
Fabulous_Soup_521 on
So, basically, the solution is enshitification. Pass crappy parts and just slap them together. Brilliant.
ChipsAhoy2022 on
->More and more base models are shitty at starting price while most desirable features are pushed to top models costing 1.5x-2.0x advertised price
->Toyota EV continue to be a laughing subject among consumers, charging top dollars for sub 250 mile EV
->Toyota failing year on year to innovate on software and purely relying on historic brand image to pull the brand forward is bound to fail
smecta on
The ONLY reason I always chose Toyota over its competitors (like Honda or other proper Asian car producing companies, I will never ever even look at murican ICE carriages) is perceived (and personally experienced) QUALITY.
Honda has always been very close in my ratings. Oh well, I guess I’ll have a CRV when I get my next car.
Such a shame!
pudding7 on
Maybe they could start by dropping the absolutely stupid commitment to hydrogen.
KRoadkil on
Take the computers out of cars and just make something to get me from A to B, and reasonably priced. No car buyer should be offered loans over 4 years.
GabeDef on
The billionaires have capped Capitalism so that it will only function for them – the rest of the world is catching up and surpassing the US in categories that US industries were once leaders. That is how the empire ended.
dhavaln832 on
if toyota is saying something like this than we know its not just a warning, its an entire shift for the whole industry
FrankSamples on
How come when the auto industry was dominated by 4 countries (US, Germany, Japan & Korea) everything was fine? Adding 1 new player and suddenly they’re questioning their own viability
iwatchppldie on
Nothing of value will be lost a newer better car company will take their place.
Simple-Ad-1783 on
China is only gaining ground because they don’t have to out source anything. Tell them to innovate and develop something better, and it all falls apart. It’s no surprise that they could only lay the foundation for their electric vehicles after Tesla created the market. There’s a reason why western talent doesn’t get scouted out by China. Once China incurs costs associated with innovation they’ll get out muscled every time.
YqlUrbanist on
China won the EV wars a long time ago, all that’s left now is seeing how long it takes everyone else to realize it.
SomeSchmidt on
Company that didn’t invest in new technology fearful new technology will replace it
lanesplittinrg on
I don’t want to hear a word from Toyota until they’ve released a competitor to the Ford Maverick
fafnir01 on
So reading the article… they are going to cut quality (presumably so their cars don’t last as long) and cut service parts? (presumably so when your car breaks you have to buy a new one) Sounds like what american car manufacturers have been doing my whole life… I don’t think this approach will save Toyota.
DogblackMichigan on
Toyota is a decade behind on EVs. That could kill the company.
CommanderBuck on
Open letter to Toyota:
Just make good vehicles.
buddhistbulgyo on
Fuck Toyota. All my homies hate Toyota since they outdonated everyone on Trump’s campaign.
userlivewire on
Chinese automakers are not setting a new standard. They are subsidized at every step in the chain to produce cars for less than they cost to make.
The steel is provided to them under cost.
The labor is provided to them under market rate.
The electronics are provided by government funded developers.
It’s not a fair playing field.
ro536ud on
$31 billion in profitttttt last year
Dreamtrain on
>This is meant to slash overly-engineered quality standards and lower costs.
RIP the Corolla as the most reliable vehicle in history
sorrow_anthropology on
For the past 30 years Toyota has had the world’s best selling hybrids, 30 years to R&D battery tech and electric motors in a world that’s slowly but inevitably moving away from petroleum fuels. Which you’d think they’d notice since they make the Prius.
All they needed to do was build a rav4 ev with 400 miles of range. Call it the ReV4 or something and cash the nearly endless checks.
I guess they were busy trying to read tea leaves instead of looking at internal order sheets.
SNARA on
So sacrifice people’s lives for profit…kaayy
taisui on
Who wrote this crap? AI?
whatlineisitanyway on
Toyota’s.used.to be good cars for a good price. Now they have gotten way more expensive and aren’t the value proposition they once were.
OonaPelota on
Maybe don’t charge $72K for a Tacoma or $90K for a Sequoia hmmm?
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This article is almost useless. Doesn’t clearly state the problem/risks Toyota is seeing and reacting to, only mentions this four paragraphs in…
> The problem isn’t just one thing, either. It’s everything, everywhere, all at once. Chinese automakers are gaining ground quickly and setting a new standard for manufacturing costs. Software is becoming a core part of cutting-edge vehicle. Tariffs are still a thing. The auto industry has seen more upheaval in the last few years than it did over the last several decades.
Toyota is just seeing cost and pricing pressure. That’s all.
Their solution?
> The brand is implementing something that it calls „Smart Standard Activity.“ This is meant to slash overly-engineered quality standards and lower costs. Essentially, Toyota believes it will lower the price of its components and cut back on wasted parts.
AKA bean counting – putting finance people in charge of engineering and product decisions. The very thing that rotted the US automotive industry’s market dominance over a few decades.
Also similar to putting insurance companies in charge of healthcare decisions. See how well that works out for patient outcomes in the US 🙂
Good job, Toyota. Abandon the one thing you’re known for, but still not be able to compete with Chinese vehicles on price because you don’t have a labor cost advantage.
So, basically, the solution is enshitification. Pass crappy parts and just slap them together. Brilliant.
->More and more base models are shitty at starting price while most desirable features are pushed to top models costing 1.5x-2.0x advertised price
->Toyota EV continue to be a laughing subject among consumers, charging top dollars for sub 250 mile EV
->Toyota failing year on year to innovate on software and purely relying on historic brand image to pull the brand forward is bound to fail
The ONLY reason I always chose Toyota over its competitors (like Honda or other proper Asian car producing companies, I will never ever even look at murican ICE carriages) is perceived (and personally experienced) QUALITY.
Honda has always been very close in my ratings. Oh well, I guess I’ll have a CRV when I get my next car.
Such a shame!
Maybe they could start by dropping the absolutely stupid commitment to hydrogen.
Take the computers out of cars and just make something to get me from A to B, and reasonably priced. No car buyer should be offered loans over 4 years.
The billionaires have capped Capitalism so that it will only function for them – the rest of the world is catching up and surpassing the US in categories that US industries were once leaders. That is how the empire ended.
if toyota is saying something like this than we know its not just a warning, its an entire shift for the whole industry
How come when the auto industry was dominated by 4 countries (US, Germany, Japan & Korea) everything was fine? Adding 1 new player and suddenly they’re questioning their own viability
Nothing of value will be lost a newer better car company will take their place.
China is only gaining ground because they don’t have to out source anything. Tell them to innovate and develop something better, and it all falls apart. It’s no surprise that they could only lay the foundation for their electric vehicles after Tesla created the market. There’s a reason why western talent doesn’t get scouted out by China. Once China incurs costs associated with innovation they’ll get out muscled every time.
China won the EV wars a long time ago, all that’s left now is seeing how long it takes everyone else to realize it.
Company that didn’t invest in new technology fearful new technology will replace it
I don’t want to hear a word from Toyota until they’ve released a competitor to the Ford Maverick
So reading the article… they are going to cut quality (presumably so their cars don’t last as long) and cut service parts? (presumably so when your car breaks you have to buy a new one) Sounds like what american car manufacturers have been doing my whole life… I don’t think this approach will save Toyota.
Toyota is a decade behind on EVs. That could kill the company.
Open letter to Toyota:
Just make good vehicles.
Fuck Toyota. All my homies hate Toyota since they outdonated everyone on Trump’s campaign.
Chinese automakers are not setting a new standard. They are subsidized at every step in the chain to produce cars for less than they cost to make.
The steel is provided to them under cost.
The labor is provided to them under market rate.
The electronics are provided by government funded developers.
It’s not a fair playing field.
$31 billion in profitttttt last year
>This is meant to slash overly-engineered quality standards and lower costs.
RIP the Corolla as the most reliable vehicle in history
For the past 30 years Toyota has had the world’s best selling hybrids, 30 years to R&D battery tech and electric motors in a world that’s slowly but inevitably moving away from petroleum fuels. Which you’d think they’d notice since they make the Prius.
All they needed to do was build a rav4 ev with 400 miles of range. Call it the ReV4 or something and cash the nearly endless checks.
I guess they were busy trying to read tea leaves instead of looking at internal order sheets.
So sacrifice people’s lives for profit…kaayy
Who wrote this crap? AI?
Toyota’s.used.to be good cars for a good price. Now they have gotten way more expensive and aren’t the value proposition they once were.
Maybe don’t charge $72K for a Tacoma or $90K for a Sequoia hmmm?