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    1. catsbetterthankids on

      Can anyone explain how putting troops on the ground of any of these islands isn’t putting them in a kill zone for Iranian drones and missiles?

    2. Top-Worldliness5027 on

      They should be able to seize these islands, but the casualty is going to be really high.

    3. PausedForVolatility on

      No reasonable person is denying that the military can seize any bit of coastal land the United States wants. This is quite literally what the Marines are there for. Tiny islands in the Persian Gulf will pose more of a logistical challenge than a conventional military challenge as far as that initial seizure is concerned.

      The problem is holding it. In some cases, that means „hold against enemy counterattack,“ as in some insane attack on Bandar or something. In the case of these islands, it means „holding it despite constant harassing strikes.“ There needs to be a better plan than „fling PAC-3s at everything that shows up on the radar“ and, right now, that looks to be the gist of any defensive plan.

      Most islands are, by their nature as islands, relatively flat expanses of land with limited geographic cover. That means observation and targeting of things on the island is easier. That increases the likelihood that Iran can successfully target occupying forces on any given island. And while Iranian strikes currently have a low success rate, that rate isn’t 0% and the American people will likely be a lot less indifferent to sustained casualties from drones and missiles than they are to the loss of a radar (even an expensive one). The public is generally willing to write off small numbers of fatalities but is much less likely to ignore that when losses cross the triple digit threshold, especially for a war as unpopular as this one is.

      Abu Musa is probably the least likely to result in this sort of scenario. It’s roughly equidistant between the two mainlands and, while in range, isn’t as easy a target as the other two. The caveat here is that Abu Musa doesn’t really change the dynamic in the Strait that much. If you want to do that, you have to look at something like Greater and Lesser Tunb, as the article suggests. The two Tunbs are *much* more problematic than Abu Musa due to their proximity to the Iranian coast and relatively flat terrain.

    4. EurasiaReviewNews on

      The notion that the United States could or should seize the three disputed Iranian islands—Abu Musa, Greater Tunb, and Lesser Tunb—represents a dangerous escalation rooted more in fantasy than prudent strategy. These tiny outcrops near the Strait of Hormuz, long contested between Iran and the UAE, hold symbolic value but seizing them militarily would constitute an act of aggression against sovereign Iranian territory, probably violating international law and the UN Charter’s prohibition on the use of force absent self-defense or Security Council authorization.

    5. BlueAndYellowTowels on

      They’re wrong. The US seizing any one of those islands is suicide. Also, what’s it accomplish? Serious question. Say they take the islands. Then what?

    6. Ill_Minute_152 on

      Completely pointless. Yay, you can shoot at stuff from random islands on one side of the straight (or prevent Iran from doing so). The flip side is that you’re concentrated in a few single spots, and Iran still has an entire coast like to disrupt shipping from.

      The only way to open the straight is to take and hold the main port city of Bandar Abbas (and probably the area around the city) with a sizeable force, then fortify that position and use that as a staging point to choke off reinforcements from the north of Iran while sweeping out to the west and east, to eventually controlling the entire Iranian coastline.

      The Zagros mountains to the west make it difficult for Iran to bring in reinforcements from the north. The area to the east has less natural defence but it’s far away from main Iranian cities and is also home to the Baloch, who aren’t exactly friendly with the Iranian regime.

      Yes, that would have to be a permanent arrangement until the IRGC were to somehow disappear.

    7. aWanderingRabbit on

      Hi! UAE long term resident here. These islands have a combined land size of about 25km² and about 2000ish population combined, with Abu Musa been the most populous.

      These islands have been disputed for a long time and the UAE has a long standing wish to regain them. They aren’t going to help open the straits. Probably won’t be heavily defended but, any force on them would be incredibly vulnerable and hard to maintain/sustain from an aggressor who would be approx. 20km away.

      [Disputed Islands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seizure_of_Abu_Musa_and_the_Greater_and_Lesser_Tunbs)

    8. LawstinTransition on

      Nobody contests that this is true. The U.S. military could ’seize‘ Tehran if they wanted to; the more important strategic issues stem from what follows the seizure of Kharg island, for example. The Iranians would assuredly cut oil flows immediately, and any assets in place for that seizure would be in a dangerous and logistically unsustainable position.

      More important would be the regional downstream effects: U.S. allies in the region would be forced to either directly support the U.S., abandoning their current sideline positions, or to openly reject American calls to arms. Given the current administration’s temperament, refusal would almost certainly lead to a withdrawal of U.S. support; joining in would almost certainly lead to Iranian targeting of thus-far untargeted sites like Ras al-Khair and Jubail.

      Were the Iranians successful in attacking key infrastructure assets like these, the ensuing humanitarian crisis would make 2006-2007 Iraq and the 2011 Syrian refugee exodus look like a walk in the park. This is why the ‚Trump Doctrine‘ of pure escalation is so dangerous here, particularly given the fragmented operational command of Iranian forces. The potential for this to spiral should be incredibly alarming to all in the American government, who appear to be in a diplomatic fugue state.

    9. Like the time we seized Afghanistan? Or more like the time we seized Vietnam? I get more of a ‚the time we seized Somalia‘ vibe from this one, but i guess the real question is… wtaf?

    10. Fun-Manufacturer4170 on

      Will almost certainly result in mass casualties on the american side and that might be used to justify a major ground invasion into Iranian mainland later on to the american public.

    11. Tech-Film3905 on

      Ya that would be a meat grinder. Those islands are easily within reach of all Iranian munitions. Mines, traps will be set. Not to mention hormuz is still closed so how will they arrive on those islands?

    12. Beginning-Wish-4273 on

      This is what happens when your core assumption is wrong.
      You miss the goal, then double down — and end up pulling yourself deeper into the swamp.
      At that point it’s not strategy anymore, it’s escalation trying to fix a bad bet.

    13. Poor Iran, it supports Russia in its war of territorial expansion against Ukraine and now its own territory is about to be taken. If authoritarian states aren’t safe from being on the receiving end of what they support, what kind of rules based order do we have?

    14. Reddit_and_forgeddit on

      Sounds cool, but Whats the tactical advantage of being siting ducks?

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