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    1. EmbarrassedHelp on

      Such a „ban“ would lead to mandatory age verification and age assurance for all Canadians. Mandatory age verification in unacceptable, and should be banned in Canada. There is no such thing as privacy protecting or anonymous age verification. Canadians deserve more privacy online, not less.

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      Please take the time to demand that the government refrains from doing anything that would require mandatory age verification and age assurance, by messaging the following Cabinet ministers:

      * Marc Miller (Heritage Minister, the minister responsible for the upcoming online harms legislation): Marc.Miller@parl.gc.ca

      * Sean Fraser (Justice Minister): sean.fraser@parl.gc.ca

      * Mark Carney (Prime Minister): mark.carney@parl.gc.ca

      * Mélanie Joly (Minister of Industry): melanie.joly@parl.gc.ca

      Messaging MPs on the [Industry and Technology Committee](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/INDU/Members), and the [Justice Committee](https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/JUST) could also be a good idea.

      And it may also be worth messaging:

      * Gary Anandasangaree (Minister of Public Safety): gary.anand@parl.gc.ca

      * Rechie Valdez (Minister of Women and Gender Equality): rechie.valdez@parl.gc.ca

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      You don’t need to write a long message unless you want to. Even a simple paragraph like this can do the job (feel free to use and modify this example):

      > Dear [Minister Name],

      > I am writing to urge you to reject any legislative proposals, including youth social media bans, that would require online services to implement mandatory age verification or age assurance measures.

      > Such systems pose unacceptable risks to Canadians’ privacy and data security. Requiring individuals to verify their identity or age to access lawful online content creates new opportunities for data breaches, surveillance, and misuse of sensitive personal information. Canadians deserve stronger privacy protections online, not less.

      > I am also concerned by reports that the government may seek to copy Australia’s approach. Australia’s approach is not appropriate for Canada and should not be used as a precedent for policymaking here.

      > Sincerely,

      > [Your Name]

      > [City], [Province]

    3. GarbledEntrails on

      Age restrictions and government surveillance are the #1 way to get me to vote for anyone besides you

    4. Unknownuser010203 on

      Kids need to be kept away from social media, p○rn and the darker side of the internet, but I don’t want digital ID to be the answer

    5. SpectreBallistics on

      Social media and AI are not good for youth. But anyone who knows anything about the internet can get around any age gating. Politicians are really bad at regulating the internet.

    6. gplfalt on

      It’s been caught that Thiel and Zuckerberg are spending *billions* on lobbying for ID verification.

      Theres also a few tech bros investing on hardware enforced identification. NY is proposing a law to force hardware ID *on all internet devices*.

      This isn’t about kids. This is a direct attack on personal rights by a small group of billionaires who believe they should dictate the world over democracy.

    7. HurlinVermin on

      If kids are being warped by social media and many (if not most) parents aren’t doing a good job of regulating their kids online usage, what should we do about the problem if the majority of users don’t want age verification legislated? Nothing? Because doing nothing isn’t working. Neither is saying it’s up to parents. That isn’t working either.

      I get the privacy issue and agree with that in principle, but there must be something else we can do to get kids back on track if their parents won’t.

      Edit – why am I being downvoted for asking about other options? Clearly, simply saying ‚it’s the parent’s responsibility‘ isn’t working out at all.

    8. ProofByVerbosity on

      There’s a law you can’t go into a bar or buy alcohol until youre 18 (or 19) in Canada, and yet growing up every generation had plenty of kids who drank underage.

      I’d suspect this would turn out pretty much the same, especially if onus is on the platform to verify. Why would the platform care or spend any money on it? Force them to have verification? If I was a parent and concerned about my child’s social media use, I’d be moreso concerned that my kid had to load thier government ID onto tik tok for verification.

      Or alternatively they click „confirm you are 16+“ and put in a fake birthdate. Either way isn’t ideal.

      I get real nervous when the government starts dipping it’s toes into the internet.

    9. possiblyadude on

      It should be the parents regulating their children. Maybe instead of introducing age verification, stop letting idiots reproduce that can’t parent.

    10. varsil on

      The government can’t verify your age on sites without verifying your identity.

      This is the entire point. Advertisers want to make sure that everyone online is uniquely identified so that they can be marketed to.

      Governments want to make sure that everyone online is uniquely identified so that if you do something the government doesn’t like, they can find you.

    12. ZardozSama on

      Age restrictions without an effective means of enforcement are more performative then helpful.

      END COMMUNICATION

    14. Changisalways on

      It might be time as parents are becoming less and less engaged in their kids and that makes them perfect target for predators on social media

    15. Character_Comb_3439 on

      Umm how about instead of age, capacity and competence? 40 year olds are getting involved with AIs, so are educated professionals.
      I am so sick of a blanket solution. Just like driving, there should be ongoing testing of reaction time and cognitive processing at the various milestones. I think the conversation needs to start on who shouldn’t have access to these tools/platforms, why and how do we determine/test that? And what is the process to change that determination once new information becomes available?

    16. ultraboof on

      shitty situation for kids. this is supposed to be the responsibility of parents. in that scenario, kids either a) have parents who don’t give a fuck, and the kids suffer the insidious consequences of social media, or b) the parents are involved and impose restrictions, but the kids are left frustrated and wondering why they are the unlucky ones who don’t get to hang out online with their friends, and all the resentment that comes with that.

      I guess that would be an argument for legislation but I think we’re all clear that legislating age restrictions is not a good solution.

    17. Previous_Platform718 on

      I’m not giving my real name, age, address and date of birth so they can put it in an un-secure database, leak it to identity thieves and and/or use it against me later.

      I know people on here make fun of the elbows up slogan but literally how do you square „we need to stop putting the sign in the window and acting like this is all normal, we need to band together and challenge hegemony“ with „also we’re forcing you to give your government ID to all of Trump’s billionaire friends“

    18. Nintenduh69 on

      They should call it what it really is ***Internet User Identification Bill***.

    19. TheOneOak on

      There needs to be a serious look at the algorithms. They are a poison and have done tremendous damage.

    20. hardy_83 on

      This would be fine if the age check process was run independently by a body within Canada and that data never leaves the country nor fall into the hands of the site they are trying to access.
      And that no history of site access by the user is kept for long than 30-90 days. Then permanently erased.

      The only info the site ends up getting is, yes they are of age or no they are not.

      If it ends up being a process that sites have to figure out, absolutely not. It’ll just be a massive privacy breach and it’ll end up into he hands of Palantir or something.

    21. JohnAMcdonald on

      I am supportive so long as the law is implemented in the most bare bones way possible.

      I see takes like “it should be the parents who are responsible” coming from people knowingly ignoring that if all of a 13 year olds friends are on TikTok excluding your child from social media is bad parenting, horrible parenting, these people both don’t want to fix the problem and recommend that you socially ostracize your children and impair their social development. How awful! Or they want parents to spy on their children in the name of freedom and anti-authoritarianism.

      In fact the only solution to the problem is society coming together and deciding no 13 year olds will be going on TikTok unless they really work at bypassing that age filter. That will delay their exposure to this stuff. It’s the only solution and the only reason people disagree is because the truth hurts.

    23. tony_countertenor on

      Age restriction never work, the kids will find a way around them regardless, but it’s funny because cheating on high school assignments is like the number one use case for chat bots

    24. adamast0r on

      People on here that are complaining about government overreach to verify age are probably the same morons that would’ve complained about age verification for cigarette and alcohol sales

    25. donforgathowlon on

      How are they gonna police it? „Are you 18?) 🤣

      Is there even a quantifiable deficit for the average youth using social media or chat bots? The real problem is too much time doing either of these things.

    26. SigmaHouse28 on

      Parents need to parent, your kids are talking to AIs, asking the AIs questions, are sure you want your kids to know the answer?

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