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    Nach Schätzungen von Straßenbelagsexperten sind 18 Milliarden Pfund nötig, um Schlaglöcher in England und Wales zu reparieren


    Nach Schätzungen von Straßenbelagsexperten sind 18 Milliarden Pfund nötig, um Schlaglöcher in England und Wales zu reparieren

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2rm8evv7eo

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    1. Lazy_Crab_3584 on

      That’s because they keep filling potholes with crumbly cheese they’ve dyed black.

      All the repair jobs round our way need doing again within a month and are always slightly proud to the road surface

    2. RedofPaw on

      We have had roads for cars for a century.

      You know what’s going to happen when we fill these in?

      More will appear.

      Are there road surface options that cost a bit more but last longer? Maybe we use those.

      But I’m sure there is an accountant that can do a bit of math to figure out what is a more efficient long term cost.

      Reporting what the current holes will cost right now seems a bit pointless.

      What’s the alternative? Don’t fill them in?

    4. brothervalerie on

      This is the kind of thing the government should just pay for with bonds. Potholes cost the UK economy £14.7 billion a year. We would make the money back in 15 months.

      Borrowing when you have a guaranteed return is sensible finance.

    5. wjw75 on

      The price of all infrastructure works is so high, because scummy contractors will write any number they please on a piece of paper, then our staggeringly inept council workers will just unquestioningly rubber stamp it.

      Similarly the quality of the work is so low, because no one in the council bothers to quality check it, nor would they be remotely capable of challenging the contractor.

      And that’s not even counting the councils where the contract goes straight to the cousin/brother in law etc.

    6. LegoNinja11 on

      „Asphalt Industry Alliance (AIA)“ should accept that their product isnt fit for modern traffic requirements and that they only exist to ensure their members are provided with a continuous stream of new repair jobs.

      Scandinavian countries dont use the same construction methods we use.

    7. Sir_Henry_Deadman on

      I’m sure If there was some legislation that repairs need to last X amount of time or they replace it for free

      Stuff would survive longer

      Other countries don’t have these issues, granted smaller countries less people/cars/roads but there has to be better fix by now some sort of road material that allows it to move and expand and expel water or something

    8. Lumpy-Score3206 on

      The government could legalise cannabis to help with this issue. Estimated £2 Billion+ market that they leave in control of gangs and criminals. No brainer if they’re struggling for cash.

    9. IndependentOpinion44 on

      We recently has a water mains burst nearby. The road was closed for a couple of days. They had to dig down, fix it, then resurface the road they tore up.

      Right next to where they resurfaced there’s a bunch of pot holes. Literally butting up against the resurfaced area.

      Why? Because the private company doing the work did the absolute minimum they were paid to do.

      There was an opportunity to fix the potholes while the road was closed and the people and materials were on site. But no. Instead that will have to be another job. Another road closure.

      It’s about as inefficient a system as anyone could come up with.

      Privatisation has bled this country dry. Councils need their own teams to plan and do this work efficiently. There’s more than enough work for them to do.

    11. Dwengo on

      Really? 18billion? Are these numbers plucked from thin air? Meanwhile China can build a 2k capacity hospital in a week for a fraction of the price.

      I just don’t understand where these prices come from. Filling pot holes ain’t rocket surgery

    12. Separate_Muffin_9431 on

      And it will be a temp fix so that they can charge all over again next year.

    13. Spank_Master_General on

      I feel like billions jsut get thrown around like fun nowadays. A billion is a lot of fucking money, how is it EIGHTEEN billions??

    14. sjw_7 on

      If they fixed them early on then it would cost significantly less. As it is they leave them until they have no choice by which point its a much bigger job and costs vastly more.

      As it is they go with the cheapest quote where someone charges £75 for pouring a bit of asphalt in, stamping it down and move on to the next safe in the knowledge they will be back in the future when its failed. Perhaps they should pay a bit more and have the contractors guarantee their work so if it does fail they are required to repair it at their own cost.

    15. brntuk on

      Old man grumble. We can send a man (back) to the moon but we cant invest one of those billions in research to solve the pot hole problem for all time.

    16. Important_Ruin on

      Weren’t councils forced to sub out their road gangs to private companies when council budgets were slashed?

    17. spank_monkey_83 on

      I am a tarmac expert. Problems are a combination of severe under funding and an over-concern with rexture depth. A high void ratio allows water into the surface , which pops when it freezes. I have been knowingly using inferior materials for nearly 30yrs. As have every local authority and national highways. Use of hot rolled ashphalt went out of fashion as it cost more,took longer to lay and required more skill to lay it. Fun fact, its lifespan is double that of the cheaper material and not susceptable to frost damage.

    18. burtvader on

      There’s this quick fix thing they have in Sweden I think which uses high power jet wash type thing to blast all the dirt and detritus out of the whole and simultaneously filling it with aggregate and liquid tar. I don’t say it’s a permanent fix but perhaps we could have a fleet of them trundling around putting this in temporarily until true fixes can be applied? Why not learn from other countries. I dare say that countries in that neck of the woods have to deal with them more than us as their roads freeze and thaw.

    19. Happily-Incorrect on

      Should have known that the ‚£20 billion black hole‘ everyone was on about was actually a pot hole.

    20. box-o-locks on

      Well there’s more than enough cash to do it, and even more now that fuel has gone up so much.

      But it’s not about having the money, it’s about choosing where to spend it. The government don’t want to invest in infrastructure and jobs. They want to hand the cash out with increased benefits.

    21. Collapse_is_underway on

      You can read as „Most of them won’t be fixed as the worldwide war of resources intensify“.

      If you look closely, you can see that more and more stuff are breaking down, because of a mix of many factors including way too complex infrastructure, planned obsolescence and the very obvious fact when you think about it that we won’t keep on doubling the extraction of energy and materials forever.

      What massive cognitive dissonance is on the horizon 😮

      We’ve built a globalized just in time supply chain system reliant on finite fossil fuels resources with tight chokepoints. We listen to economists that pretend we can substitute easily fossil fuels with electricty sources and possibly even keep growing the GDP (while ignoring that we’re massively destabilizing Earth’s systems that we depend on).

      We’re in for „always less“ and not „always more“.

      [https://theshiftproject.org/en/publications/oil-supply-europe/](https://theshiftproject.org/en/publications/oil-supply-europe/)

      Time to prepare locally, people, not because of ethics or morale, but because as we’ll lack energy sources, things will have to be more local, by necessity and for resilience.

    22. arabidopsis on

      Nah, let’s just send another £18bn to the triple lock instead, and cut more stuff to get younger people trained and in work to fund this instead.

      After all, pensioners are what drives economic growth right?

    23. NotSynthx on

      We’ve spent way more money on utter bullshit, we can do this one, at least people will actually see the benefits

    24. Awkward_Stranger407 on

      Got 2 huge unavoidable potholes outside my work, it broke 5 cars last week, when I phoned the council they told me they’ll come and make it safe, 3 days later they came and painted the holes yellow. Very safe.

    25. Wass_u on

      Can’t wait for the day the roads get resurfaced, and everyone complains the roads are shut 🤦‍♂️

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