„Großbritannien braucht eine von den USA unabhängige nukleare Abschreckung“, sagt Ed Davey

From the article:

>Lib Dem leader will tell spring conference Britain can no longer rely on US while Donald Trump is president

>Britain should have a completely independent nuclear deterrent as it can no longer rely on the US, Ed Davey is expected to say on Sunday.

>In a speech at the Liberal Democrats spring conference, the party leader will argue that the UK should manufacture and maintain its nuclear weapons in Britain, a move that Davey acknowledges will cost billions.

France’s determination to maintain completely independent nuclear command and control may be the only thing that saves the world.

Imagine that.

Feel like this is a case of „politician says things public will nod at“ rather than anything serious.

Our nuclear Subs are built around the Trident system, so really what Ed Davey is saying is that he wants a completely new system at the expense of the tax payer. Thats the bit he doesn’t say out loud. The replacement for Vanguard, the Dreadnought class is already all being built around the Trident system. To change this up and develop our own missiles system would involve an astronomical cost and take years.

He also doesn’t mention that Trident is actually a bit more of a joint UK/US system, under the Polaris agreement and the US-UK mutual defence agreement we buy the missiles from a joint US/UK pool of missiles that are maintained and built by the Americans but the UK pays into the system. There is also a degree of involvement from the UK in the development of the Trident system, i won’t pretend we’re doing anything near as much as the Americans but we do contribute.

We still develop our own warheads and we do have fully independent command and control systems over our nuclear weapons. We could say that our nuclear weapons capability is operationally fully independent form the United States but is somewhat industrially dependent on the United States.

Now we could (Should i my view) develop our own nuclear weapons system for the F-35 platform that is doable but he is specifically talking about missiles.

So, what Edd Davy is suggesting would take years to develop, break several existing agreements, cost billions and undermine UK security…..but it sounds good on the Sunday morning politics shows so fuck it.

So does Canada.

We’d be better off partnered with France. Build a European nuclear umbrella.

This isn’t evem complex. We only use their missiles and have full access to the designs. With the replacement, we need the maintenance to happen here.

Problem solved.

Just remember, people like him, who will never have to worry about himself or his family being involved in conflicts. Will rattle somebody else sabre for ~~clicks~~ votes.

Don’t be sucked into the collective insanity.

Welcome to the obvious outcome from changing status quo. People don’t trust the US and really the only way to deter a major power, is basically having a way to not make it worth it. Basically France being independent nuclear power has worked out surprisingly well in the more recent times, but ultimately that moral of the story is you want to have your own nukes for protection cause you can’t control your partners. If I was most countries with the means I would basically in secret develop them then when they are done and u have a stockpile say you have them for defensive purposes. No one wants others to build them, but once they are there you can’t really do much about it. Not great for the world, only takes one unhinged person to cause huge issues. But in a country level it can be a very strong shield.

Don’t we all?

North Koreans have the foresight.. otherwise, Trump would have attacked them.

Trump has been bragging about bombing the shit out of a country and they can’t do anything about it because they don’t have a nuke. Still no real reason why he’s bombing the shit out of the country, still no goal given for what he wants to stop bombing the shit out of the country. America has twice in the last decade shown that this type of leadership is possible. So yeah. More countries are probably thinking they need nukes.

If EVERY country had a nuclear weapon, the world would be a better place. Mutually Assured Destruction. It’s a thing. Look it up.

When the Lib Dems, of all parties, are saying we need to spend billions more on defence, and nuclear at that, you know the world has changed. It’s like Greenpeace saying „You know what, some whales are really tasty“.

Every country needs a nuclear deterrent.

It’s a bit of a reverse ferret on this. For years they campaigned to abolish the deterrent forces. Perhaps it’s because the rest of the world has gone nuts.

nobody trusts America

France was right all along…

UK can’t even send a single ship to guard their vase in Cyprus.

Come build them over here in Canada just like in the old days.