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30 Kommentare
Yes, more eyesore cream concrete blocks to obnoxious grand designs gaffs!
We’ve the most over populated countryside ratio in Europe. Let’s continue the trend of stretching resources, high heating and congesting roads cus everyone living down a donkey cart road needs to drive to a city center to do their job
whyyyyyyyyyyy
Stupid decision, people are ruining the countryside with stupid houses that are too big and they cant heat them. Plus the cost of providing services to them is growing and growing
Why do people need one off houses? nothing wrong with living in an estate
Just some people have their heads so far up their own whole they want to build a stupid big McMansion in the middle of nowhere and they spend the rest of their lives crying about the lack of services
This is bizarre.
One off housing, by its very nature, has poor access to services, amenities, public transport etc
It costs more to provide even basic services to such properties and has a far greater impact e.g water, waste etc.
You only do this if there is a group of rural Independents wagging the dog…… oh…… nvm
this is the exact opposite of what the country needs
Obvious most of the people here don’t come from rural upbringings. Sorry some people want to live where their fucking family does and has for generations and yes that isn’t in a city with your “access to services”. We know this. Shut up.
This is insane. Hope the LPT is raised 10 fold for these houses.
It’s one thing if it’s for family members but I hope we aren’t back to randoms buying sites and throwing up a house or some lad selling a few sites to builders who then sell them on. A lot of places were destroyed with people using them as holiday homes or people moving to an area and then haven’t engaged or integrated one bit with the locals.
Can’t imagine why people *wouldn’t* want to live in the country with how friendly all the townies in the comments are.
Also, clearly these muppets aren’t aware that people living in the countryside already DO pay more for utilities than people in urban areas.
As someone who grew up very rural, this is crazy and not sustainable. Looking back at how limited I was growing up. I see how it stunted my development with being totally reliant on my family to bring me pretty much anywhere, not that there was much going on in the small villages nearby anyway. I have family that have grown up there in the last 20 years and I see how much worse it’s gotten. At least when I was growing up in the 90s/00s kids cycled around so I could go to nearby friends and family, now parents won’t let kids on the roads because there’s so many more cars.
The cost that others bear in supporting this lifestyle is huge. Rural Ireland is a massive drain on taxpayer money compared to what they contribute.
As for people wanting to live near family, there are plenty of rural towns and villages and we should absolutely be supporting them and making them vibrant nice places to be. So many are just a collection of buildings bisected by a through road.
We should be preserving nature and rewilding our countrysides, not this populist nonsense.
The one thing Ireland didn’t need more of. Like it’s not hard to get right. More homes yeah but not one offs
If you live outside of the big urban areas this is actually one of the better moves the gov has taken. The restriction of single building housing was a bad idea in the end as it has drove up the land prices especially in smaller town areas
This is a retrograde move that has more to do with appeasing the fantasies of the rural independents than sound housing and community policy. We can’t complain about a lack of rural services and the isolation of rural communities, and at the same time encourage policies that cause those problems.
That picture 🤣
„I want you to see me as a serious person.“
I have a family member jumping through hoops to finish building a house in rural area that another family member started. So while I can see the advantage in relaxing rules. I would prefer a simple and clear process of what is needed. He is tired of getting told to ‘hire a planning consultant’.
This does not sound like a good idea.
The problem is that one-off rural houses are a consequence of severe lack of any proper medium to long term urban planning. Almost every side road in rural areas have become ‘rural streets’, lots of one off houses each side of the road. They are building in rural Ireland as it is too difficult or expensive to buy/build in urban areas.
Leaving aside the damage to the country side, rural housing means cars, there really is not other option. This will make traffic in urban areas worse.
Profoundly
rules to reduce Air BnBs? not a chance, rules for 1 off housing – of course- sums up this Government
Personally I think this is a good thing. It’s not going to lead to an influx of one off housing but it’s going to allow people easier access who might plots available near family members. I know of several people put through the mill despite being near existing houses.
And of course, most commenters in this sub are saying it’s a bad thing.
Hopefully this could lead to a resurgence of village living. One off works fine if near other one off. So many rural areas struggling to keep a school, local clubs and pubs witj everyone being forced into city shoeboxes. Rual living, done right via villages can be great
We have a housing crisis, we need to open the flood gates.
Most towns already have houses in rural areas in every direction we can add more, we have plenty of space, people already live there.
Not everyone wants to live in a town.
Not allowing one off housing actually creates a monopoly where only developers can build houses.
Rural ireland is declining, building more housing is a positive
I’m honestly shocked by the comments, I really can’t understand why people have an issue with rural one off homes.
As if you can’t rewild the surrounding area with a few extra houses around. Most of the country side of full of cattle and fields. It would be amazing if the countryside also became vibrant little community’s. Not everyone wants to live in a town or city..
I’m fully prepared to get downvoted to hell for this.
I’ve always had the impression that a lot of the strong opposition to single family housing comes from jealousy. People who don’t have the opportunity to do it themselves are useing environmental concerns as a way to justify their jealousy.
Like, half the comments I see here talk about how it’s bad for the environment because of emissions and the impact on the grid. Yet, most houses nowadays are built with solar panels. Batteries are already pretty affordable, and within the next 5 to 10 years, they’ll be cheap enough that almost anyone could have them installed in their house. With most people switching to electric cars, most of these talking points will pretty much be almost non-existent or heavily reduced
What might be a better idea are one off hamlets. I’m living in Brittany at the moment and in a rural area. Throughout the area are hamlets. I small group of homes. In mine there are 14 houses. Some like line are from 1700’s other are newer built in the last 10 years. Some of the homes are little 2 bed row homes and others are detached and like mine a couple are semi detached. We have septic, main water, fantastic fiber wifi and electric. The thing is, even in the countryside in the tiny villages they do small developments even if it’s just a small mix. In the village down the road at the shop they put up affordable housing homes. It looks like 8 units. It works, it’s just rethinking how you do rural housing.
Proper order.
Folks are mad at this but we need houses. Its a crisis and some measures need to be taken.
Now hear me out, why can’t we have multiple parallel solutions instead of shouting down every decent idea just because it’s not your pet idea?
We have record homelessness. Record. One off rural homes are mostly built by people either in, or related to someone in, the trades. They dont detract labour or priority from mega estates which is where the money is, they are almost always built by the owner.
This measure is a small token to relieve the tremendous housing pressure our current policies have led us to, no more.
Shouting down other people providing homes for themselves, at no cost to you, is either pure jealousy or arrogant privilege. Why should you dictate what somebody you’ll probably never meet does with their own money and hard work?
I live in the middle of nowhere. I was outside a short while ago, ambling round my half acre garden.
I could hear nothing except the wind through the trees and a bit of a sheep a couple of fields over.
I could see the sky.
I could smell the grass I was walking on.
No traffic noise, no constant exhaust fumes and chipper grease, no light pollution blocking out the stars.
So yeah, we will continue to have people who live in one off rural homes because we *want* to. We aren’t missing out, we don’t want all of these ‘conveniences’ and ‘amenities’ or whatever else it is that urban people go on about. They can keep those.
The amount of blatant anti-rural sentiment in this thread is shocking
I’m glad to see this – the way things are at the minute I think people should be damn near allowed build where they can if this would mean that site prices would come down. Having to pay well north of 100k for a scrap of land that you are allowed to build a house on is a disgrace considering you could buy 5 acres of agricultural land for that money. Maybe I’m thick but I think that’s mad.
There’s a certain dogma that one off housing is bad, but let’s review the realities of rural housing before abject condemnation.
With regard to housing supply in rural areas, with no luxury taxation or disencentives on holiday homes many rural areas 2nd hand housing market is out of reach of locals. Further to that with land hoarding within villages and towns there is no new supply available and again the government is doing nothing with regard to this. Also, all towns large enough to have a Local area plan have this insane zoning method where zone 1 residential must be developed before zone 2 can be then developed…if the land owners in zone 1 don’t have the means or intention to develop…then tough shit, no housing for that town.
Then let’s look at the outcomes of anti one off housing particularly in areas of high high holiday homes, the infrastructure exists, the councils are legally obliged to maintain it, the utilities will do the same…so in areas as low as 30% year around occupancy, policy is creating a situation where we are paying for empty boreens to have their roads maintained and utilities must do the same. Nowhere is it mentioned how reducing one off housing will do anything with regard to this.
Lastly, if people can’t choose to have a home in the area they grew up in, it’s pretty much a form of removal. It further guts the economy of that area, and leaves only an ageing population with no one locally left over to look after them. This only further adds to the cost of the state.
So to sum up, the market is distorted, new supply isn’t becoming available, the result is only those wealthy enough to afford it getting all the infrastructure for a place they don’t live in, and areas slowly being hollowed out. Yet the dogma is one off housing is bad, and we should further restrict housing in the worst housing crisis in the last fifty years. It’s not exactly all that well thought out as it’s proponents would have it now is it?
90 upvotes and nearly 300 comments.
This thread is (I’m guessing. Haven’t read any comments yet) full of people from the country saying how this will save rural Ireland, or alleviate the housing crisis, or that it’s not a drain on services, or that anyone should have a right to build in their area/anywhere they like. Probably a few comments that includes all that.
Every single thing I included is flat out wrong. Easing restrictions on one off housing is a fucking terrible move, one not made by sound strategic planning. It’s done to appease a few thicko rural independents, and as with any sort of move like this, when it all goes tits up we’ll be discussing why it all went wrong in ten years time.
Edit: and I’m from a rural background (the back arse of nowhere). Just because I got a somewhat abusive message accusing me of being an „arrogant arsed townie fucker“.