Interessante historische Phänomene:
1. Historisch gesehen "Vietnam" bezieht sich hauptsächlich auf Nordvietnam, rotes Gebiet 1080 Jahre.
Vietnam unter chinesischer Herrschaft oder Nordherrschaft (Nördliche Gattung lit. "zum Norden gehörend")\1])\2]) (111 v. Chr.–939 n. Chr., 1407–1428 n. Chr.) Han-Dynastie – Fünf Dynastien und zehn Königreiche – Ming-Dynastie
Nach Chinas inneren Unruhen während der Zeit der Fünf Dynastien und Zehn Königreiche erlangte Vietnam seine Unabhängigkeit und eroberte das heutige Südvietnam.
Diese verlängerte Herrschaft führte häufig dazu, dass Vietnam, das ein südostasiatisches Land hätte sein sollen, Einordnung in die Sinosphäre (ostasiatische Kultursphäre) neben Korea und Japan.
2. Vietnam wurde über einen längeren Zeitraum direkt von chinesischen Dynastien regiert als die heutigen Provinzen Yunnan und Guizhou (Diese beiden Regionen wurden während der Ming-Dynastie vollständig von China erobert und kolonisiert).
- Weder die mongolische Yuan-Dynastie noch die Mandschu-Qing-Dynastie herrschten jemals über die vietnamesische Region.
Von Wise-Pineapple-4190
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The long period of rule has resulted in a very complex and nuanced view of China among Vietnamese people.
On the one hand, much of their culture originates from China; on the other hand, after gaining independence, they gradually developed a national identity. Therefore, their history textbooks are almost entirely composed of 1000 years of continuous resistance against Chinese colonizers and rulers.
Of course, this narrative is normal; without anti-China sentiment, the meaning of Vietnamese independence would be lost.
Therefore, on TikTok, you’ll see Vietnamese people emphasizing their Chinese cultural sphere while also frequently attacking China.
A region that remains independent for too long will inevitably develop a distinct national identity.
During the Ming Dynasty, even though China successfully reoccupied Vietnam for another 20 years, the Vietnamese people had been independent of Chinese rule for centuries, resulting in intense resistance.
Furthermore, the Ming Dynasty carried out extremely brutal massacres and repressions in Vietnam, making this rule unsustainable. After significant economic problems arose, the Ming Dynasty voluntarily withdrew from Vietnam.
How did the Ming Dynasty ultimately and completely conquer what is now Yunnan and Guizhou?
Frankly, its policies were quite brutal. It involved massacring the local indigenous peoples and then colonizing large numbers of Han Chinese (approximately 200,000-300,000) into the region. After several generations, these areas became highly Sinicized and are still considered Han Chinese areas today.
However, in the early Ming , China’s population was not yet that large, making large-scale colonization of Vietnam quite difficult.
Moreover, Vietnam had a population of at least 5 million, and the Ming Dynasty’s brutal policies led to constant rebellions and uprisings, making its eventual failure understandable.
This is all very intriguing. Nice map OP.
What is an example of 125 years of rule in the far south?
Overlap it with Cham rule
I believe the Ming ’s policies were flawed. After initially conquering Vietnam, they should have cooperated with the local nobles and provided benefits to the indigenous people. After several generations, the Vietnamese would have been largely Sinicized again (the region had already been under Chinese rule for 1000 years).
However, the Ming was too brutal. They looked down on the Vietnamese, considering them inferior, and thus repeatedly massacred and suppressed them.
Under these circumstances, long-term rule was impossible.
Similarly, the eventual defeat of the Manchus and Mongols was to be expected.
Their combined rule over China for 360 years but impossible to erase the Chinese people’s national identity; therefore, the collapse of their rule was only a matter of time.
During the late Yuan and Qing dynasties, the founders of the Ming dynasty and the Republic of China (ROC) used the slogan of restoring China and expelling barbarians to destroy their rule, resulting in large numbers of Mongols and Manchus suffering ethnic cleansing.
**National identity is crucial; if the conquered retain their national identity, the rulers‘ downfall is only a matter of time.**
r/MapPorn becoming more like any map that is not necessarily a high quality map and being overrun by overly enthusiastic Chinese historians. Not that history enthusiasm is bad, but the sub is losing its old charm.
Thx. The CCP told me that China has never been an imperialist country. I guess that’s untrue.
*AN area of Vietnam.
OP, you know you can combine all your thoughts into a single comment right.
There is no incoherent in your writing and also it makes you look unsound.
This is the same China that has apparently „never invaded or colonised“ other countries.
What’s hilarious is after centuries of China invading and subjugating it’s neighbours when the Europeans and Japanese came and did the same thing to China, the Chinese labelled it without any irony „the century of humiliation“
The implication being it was humiliating for China to be subjugated because it’s rightful place is to subjugate it’s neighbours like Tibet, Xinjiang, Vietnam and Korea
The CCP really has no shame.