Trump-Berater drängen ihn, eine Ausstiegsrampe aus dem Iran zu finden, aus Angst vor politischer Gegenreaktion
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/trump-advisers-urge-him-to-find-iran-exit-ramp-fearing-political-backlash-562fef1e?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqfUF3m8Jd7b4WVAEYJLuByGpMpDbhWueI1TSdKfLC78ir65dvWmYRapuE42oPs%3D&gaa_ts=69af6c3b&gaa_sig=j29L1uE80tcl5BG_kS9J0pDe-V95nODuYQRWKX5BaylTstkkxE0btKt7DOtGHSzM9qZ5TMvBprRu9KDsPhJFNg%3D%3D
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Trump has other objectives. Like giving Putin sanction cancellation of selling Russian oil to help finance his Ukrainian war crimes.
It is already here, asshats. Anyone with brains in this administration is quietly packing their bags. Kinda late. You had a decade to figure out that you work working for or were complicit with a narcissistic abuser, both domestic and abroad.
Of all the dumb things Trump has done, massively increasing gas prices just might be what makes a meaningful dent in his support.
Go bomb another country, then claim oopsie and take the next off-ramp. Classic….
I think it’s too late for that. It seems that Iran will only allow ships through the Strait from countries that have expelled US and Israeli diplomats. If so, checkmate.
Trump can rant about it until he’s blue in the face. Iran won’t give a shit.
Did he think starting a war and blowing up an elementary school was going to be popular?
Based on ten years of witnessing Donald Trump, who could have predicted a low attention span president with serious personal gratification issues would seize the opportunity to soothe those urges with a series of 2 week or less military spasms of power?
Everyone. Particularly after having his plaything tariffs taken away.
Republicans in the Senate have signed off on it, just like they did with the illegal tariffs they allowed Trump to fiddle with.
Trump discovered the military has plans for every conceivable option, and he’s picking em out like its a McDonald’s menu.
Shouldn’t they have worried about the backlash before starting the war?
Cute that they think he won’t be emboldened to keep trying again and again across the globe until he gets his peepee, and by extension everybody else’s in the US, smashed with a meat tenderizer.
There is no off ramp. The Iranians are pissed. This isn’t reneging on paying a contractor over some tacky hotel renovation, there are going to be severe ramifications.
There’s no off-ramp. You don’t start a regional conflict and then easily wipe your hands of it when shit gets hard.
This is what happens when you have a moron-in-chief who is easily swayed.
Any person with a rudimentary understanding of geopolitics should not be surprised by the impact.
That’s all this was ever about, Trump’s fucking ego, his *feelings,* his ratings…
It’s about his imperialist whims, his desire to demonstrate the might of the US military, which he no doubt sees as a reflection of his own strength, and it’s about signaling to the rest of the world that he can cut off the head of any government that opposes him.
And of course, this is also about fulfilling Netanyahu’s decades-long dream of waging a full-throated war with Iran.
We literally have Bibi on video saying that he’s been waiting for this opportunity for 40 years, and that Trump was the perfect chump to help him achieve his long sought after military ambitions in the middle east.
No, this wasn’t about „regime change,“ nor was it ever about „liberating“ the Iranian people. There’s no guarantee that regime change will even happen.
I mean, ffs, Trump doesn’t care about the human rights and dignity of his own people, let alone Democratic norms. To that point, Islamophobia and anti-middle eastern sentiments have been at the heart of the GOP’s messaging and culture wars.
Trump has also categorically refused to take in or aid refugees from the region, unless of course he can use it as a political selling point.
Hell, take Venezuela for instance. Even though Trump removed Maduro from power and kept the oppressive government intact in exchange for their cooperation, he still viewed it as a massive success. So much for liberating the people…
Trump’s plans for whatever’s next in this war, let alone its endgame, remain ambiguous at best while Iran has shown no signs of agreeing to Trump’s demand for „unconditional surrender.“
Instead, the Iranian regime has named Ayatollah’s pigheaded son as his successor, who is just as much a hardliner as his father, and who we’ve probably radicalized all the more after killing his entire family.
Explain to me how this translates into „the war is almost complete“ or some such nonsense.
Especially since we haven’t accomplished anything the Trump administration claimed it was setting out to do.
The oppressive, theocratic regime still remains intact.
Conflict is not only expanding in the middle east, but is being reignited between forces like Israel and Hezbollah.
Iran’s nuclear and missile programs did NOT pose an imminent threat to us before the war according to all US intelligence, assessments and reporting on the matter.
But if Iran ever needed a practical rationale for upscaling its nuclear missile capabilities, Trump and Netanyahu just provided them with one.
Alongside Israel of course, the US has been bombing Iran indiscriminately with little to no concern for the civilians they’re supposed to be „liberating“ from the violent and repressive regime.
We’ve squandered hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military equipment, technology and weapons systems.
The war is estimated to be costing the taxpayer $1 billion+ every day it drags on. Not to mention the cost of future military incursions or operations to fix this mess.
US troops have died for the sake of a needless war.
We’re killing innocent civilians and children, bombing hospitals, schools, residential areas, non-military infrastructure…
Iranians have no power to mount resistance right now.
Trump told them to „rise up“ and overtake their government only so he could avoid having to take responsibility for the chaos that follows while he desperately searches for an offramp because his chief concerns are and always have been his declining ratings and surging oil prices.
He’s essentially telling the Iranian people to march to their deaths because this supposed „regime change“ operation has been a monumental failure and Iranians are far from being „liberated“ from the clutches of their oppressors.
Meanwhile, global trade is being disrupted, markets are volatile, as are oil prices.
The US economy is still a mess. Trump’s policies were exploding the debt and deficit BEFORE the war started. Who knows the outlook moving forward.
We’ve also alienated some of our middle east allies and have only managed to further radicalize our overseas enemies against us.
We’ve tarnished whatever global reputation we had left.
Remember we bombed Iran twice in the middle of negotiations. This doesn’t exactly bode well for the future of negotiations with ANY country.
So what the fuck have we accomplished?
We’ve only managed to accelerate Iran’s destabilization, and this war will no doubt have rippling consequences for the region and perhaps most of the world.
Including years of tumult and violence, more terrorist provocations and infighting, rising civilian death tolls and casualties, even civil war.
And for what? Imaginary nuclear weapons? Have we learned nothing!?
After ignoring lessons from history about what happens when we try „regime change“ in the middle east, Trump and his warmongering allies conducted a war under false pretenses, with little to no actual support from the American people, and a conflict that has always been one of choice, not of necessity.
More broadly, and due directly to Trump’s foreign policies and his behavior on the world stage, our most powerful adversaries like China are more formidable global players compared to where they stood prior to Trump’s second presidency, all while our sworn enemies have only become *more* emboldened in their fight against US imperialism.
We’ve also alienated our western allies, withdrawn from long standing global alliances, and have forced our democratic partners and once friendly middle powers to turn to nations like China for trade. Likely contributing to their record breaking trade surplus while Trump fails to sufficiently reduce the US trade deficit.
Trump has made us a laughing stock, and once important allies are now cooperating with one another to establish a new world order and international club that sees the US as a hostile, belligerent and troublesome country that doesn’t deserve trust and respect, coordination and aid, nor accommodations of any kind.
Again, what the fuck have we accomplished???
There is no off ramp
We all want this over. That said how the hell do we ever exit this safely? There’s literally no way out without major pain.
Fucking backwards. Bomb first, then come up with a reason for it to sell it to the people who were not aware we were going to start a war. Then try to figure out how to end it despite having no clear objectives in mind.
What if we surrender him to them? Would that be an off-ramp?
Didn’t he just claim victory?
Traffic was terrible today so I switched on the radio to see if trump escalated to nuclear war or something, and all the news was about his press conference declaring the “excursion” the greatest victory in US history.
There is no plan, we basically have Charlie Day as President, President Wildcard.
His advisers got us here. Maybe they should look for their own off-ramp. He is an old man with billions; his off-ramp is in plain sight, courtesy of Father Time. His inner circle? Not so much. His cabal is unpopular.
God the people of that country have had enough.
Apart from being a sick twisted evil bastard, to use his own phrase….He’s also a low IQ person. This is what happens when you let a sociopathic moron in charge. Sooner he is gone the safer the world will be.
He really thought fucking around in the most historically hostile region on the other side of the planet would be as simple as a smash and grab near home turf.
The backlash is *here*, and will continue coming and growing, no matter what that fascist motherfucker does now.
It’s awful that’s all they care about. Not the lives this cost and the many more it could. Not the billion dollars a day this is costing. Political backlash. That’s it.
Trump: „one, two, three, four…I won the thumb…i mean….Iran war“
Jihadism is a big thing for Shia Muslims. They have had years to prepare too. This isn’t going to be ISIS 2.0. They are much more organized and manufacture their own weapons. Iran has an enemies list and knows where to hit them so it hurts the most. You’ve already seen them start to hit the desalination plants of the other gulf states. You will see a massive flight of capital out of Dubai. They’ve already destroyed much of our early warning radar systems with ballistic missiles and drones, one of which cost US taxpayers $1bil. 5th fleet HQ was hit very hard, likely destroyed. Took decades to put that there. News media in the west hasn’t been covering just how bad the hits from the Iranians have been so far. And now we’re nearly out of interceptors, so we’ll have to decide…do you take out the drone or save it for a possible ballistic missile?
Can anyone tell me what our goal in Iran is? Like, why are we killing and dying there?
He lives in a bubble. No one in his cabinet tells him anything he doesn’t want to hear. He thinks of himself as a genius.
He doesn’t live in reality. We’re so fucked.
There is no off ramp when 14 countries are involved
Political backlash? [the man is a war criminal.](https://lede-admin.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/69/2024/08/right-to-jail-1.gif)
Iran has already won. Once oil went over $100 they have all the leverage. The war was never popular so when we started to suffer economically there was no tolerance for that.
Political backlash from an illegal war, commiting war crimes and burning through billions of dollars daily all while making the cost of oil skyrocket and increasing the cost of everything for everyone? No way!
Cuba is the off ramp in their mind
Is that because he rapes kids?
The problem with this guy is that he has an Epstein problem. An awful lot of people believe he started this Iran mess in a rush to distract from it.
An Iran war that ends in unconditional surrender is very difficult to achieve. Too much time, too many casualties and too much money – if it can be done at all. And at what cost in global standing as the world’s economies are dragged down with it.
Look how a similar situation is turning out for Putin. He’s gambled everything on Ukraine and the price is too high.
Lmfao what a bunch of fucking idiots. I’m so fucking tired of getting gaslit when my initial instincts in 2014 were absolutely correct about this fuck. He’s an egomaniac lunatic and everything he touches he leaves bankrupt while he flies away in gold. The classic American con artist got and continues to get away with the greatest con. Not to mention the fucks that tie their shoes with his.
I dated this girl who was pretty right religious leaning and I said the right scares me more than left and yeah that did sit well… but I feel pretty fucking spot on that this fuck and the right would lead us to tearing up the constitution.
The real problem is this, once the orange fug is out of office and enriched by the largest grift in history he’ll get away with it while the core of true believers and half baked lawyers run interference for him.
We’ll be like a mining town where the mine is played out and bankrupted. We’ll be stuck with the tailings, a ruined hole in the ground and poisoned wells.
In the eyes of those we used to count as friends no one will hold our paper and we’ll have to default on those that are still out. It will take years to scrape this pile off our shoes. But it will be worth it to regain our good sense and retake our place in the world.
Impeachment
Fucking off ramp. Jesus Christ. The Trumpstein party just stirred up a giant hornets nest because they were bored and had too much military budget to spend. You can’t unfuck this.
Too late, fuckers.
He’s going to cancel the elections, folks.
So crazy they think they can just kill a country’s leader, bomb their cities, sink their navy’s large ship killing tons of people…. And just like go hey nvm see you later. Our country is being run by the dumbest motherfuckers in the world. My god
An exit ramp. You just bombed a country that will become the epicenter of conflict in that region for decades, likely leading to millions of deaths, even more millions displaced, and the collapse of the global economy. But yes. You should find an „exit ramp“ because of how this might hurt you in the polls.
Don’t let these rats try to scurry off.
It is absolutely imperative that we hold them accountable for the consequences of their actions to the highest extent of the law.
Trump and his circus of fucking clowns have caused generational damage to global politics. This isn’t just an American issue anymore, it’s a world issue.