**How to read it**: Far-left MPs are positioned at the very left of the hemicycle, it goes gradually to the traditional left, then centrists, traditional right and finally far-right wingers to the very right.
**The bubbles** “1 an, 3 ans, 5 ans” represent the lengths of sentences (1, 3, 5 years).
**Colours**, from the left to the right:
– Purple (LFI): “Radical” left
– Red (PC): French Communist Party
– Pink (PS): Traditional center-left (Socialists)
– Green (EELV): Main environmentalist party
– Light blue (RE): Macron’s centrist party
– Orange (UDF): Traditional centrist parties
– Dark blue (LR): Traditional conservatives
– Brown (RN): Far-right nationalist party (Le Pen)
– Black (R!): Reconquête!, hardline far-right
Raferat on
I am ashamed to ask this but how does one read this chart? I don’t get the symmetrical years, why there are bubbles between 1990 and 1990 and what it shows in general.
suna0 on
Someone make a map of Italian politicians, we win hands down in this kind of competition
insomnimax_99 on
What’s the 1 year/3 years/5 years thing?
Is that length of prison sentence?
If so how are criminal convictions that didn’t result in a prison sentence (like a fine or community service) handled?
How are people who committed multiple crimes handled?
hikealot on
Dear OP. What kind of chart is this and how do you read it?
The bubble sizes appear to be length of sentence? Is this so? So, severity of crime I guess?
The dates seem to radiate out from the center, except that the left side (the 9 O’clock position) radiates backward from 1980 and the right side (the 3 O’clock position) radiates forward from 1990. So what about the 12 O’clock position.
The color coding is by party.
flauxpas on
Thats shocking! A member of the swiss parliament convicted and going to jail would be a huge scandal. And in France in some parties it seems to be monthly routine.
IronWhitin on
Gaston get the Guilliottine, the big One..
ylsdo on
With representativeness from political parties, it would be better 🙂
Orpexo on
Explanation:
The author used LLM to filter and sum up wikipedia, to get a list of judgements against french politicians.
It is placed on a left-right political spectrum like in our parlement, but all dates are mixed up. The blue and pink used to be very big parties in the past but not anymore. Orange disapeared completly. Purple, light-blue and black are new parties existing since only about 10 years or less. Macron’s party is light-blue.
The size of the buble is how big the sentence was. If a person is sentenced multiples times in multiple cases, it creates multiple bubbles.
Imperfections: some data was missing, which is expected because this is just an AI collecting data from wikipedia. This is mixing up all kinds of politicians, elected in all kinds of positions. the author seems to add new bubbles with time, probably because people are giving him new information now that his site is becoming popular. The author is known to be left leaning.
Anonbot85 on
Can you do this for Italy too?
_hockenberry on
Right wing guys on the right of the picture, leftists on the left. As you sadly can see, you can be a politician in France while being a criminal.
Nervous-Candidate135 on
Manipulated data, so many cases on the far-left are not counted „for some reason“, and I don’t even want to start with timeline or representativity issues (some figures on the right have never been MPs or senators). Raphaël Jolivet is an activist.
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Sigolon on
But LFI is a violent radical party! I was told they are as much of a problem as the far right!
Possible-Wallaby-877 on
Wait how are you able to run for office if you have a criminal record? Is that allowed in France? That’s surprising, unless many countries don’t have those barriers in place?
maevian on
At least in France these people get convicted, in most other countries they just stay in power
pierebean on
funny: my company won’t let me in the website
logperf on
What are those empty spaces? Parties without anyone convicted?
Murky_End5733 on
r/dataisugly
Ciosiphor on
Well, well, well…
Elesday on
Absolutely horrible chat. Good data though
kansashog on
So worse than usa?
blahajlife on
„We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?“
„Why?“
„It saves time.“
– from The Last Continent, Sir Terry Pratchett
Kypsys on
I’ve looked at this….thing…for a solid minute, i i still can’t make up anything useful, i can’t compare anything, i don’t understand why is there a big gap on the left, i dont know if years are cumulated, and if they include „sursis“, and if a bubble is a period or a single people, i dont have useful numbers, the x axis is a joke ….
Good idea, terrible execution
Empty_Recording_3458 on
I don’t believe this graph for a second, sorry. Just this week a far left (LFI) MP was condemned for diffamation. I can guarantee you there must be some heavy massaging of the data and you can easily guess who did it.
Edit: conveniently OP is not letting anyone see their post status, you know exactly why.
Rare-Victory on
How is it scaled to the size of the political parties ?
I would be better to know e.g. how many percent of politicians belonging party x between e.g. 2000 to 2005 have since been convicted to sentences of 1,3,5 years.
Background_Wedding44 on
La méthodologie est catastrophique et favorise à 100% les partis les plus jeunes. Je m’explique :
Si je prends (sur le site) en filtrant les années 2020 à 2027 et sur le RN, toutes les affaires de JMLP apparaissent alors que ça faisait longtemps qu’il n’était plus député. en gros plus un parti a une longue histoire et plus il a eu de députés dans le temps plus il va apparaître fortement parce qu’ils comptent tous les anciens députés, donc un parti comme LR qui n’a q’une centaine de députés actuellement, en a eu plusieurs milliers dans le passé et donc à chaque fois qu’un ancien député est condamné il apparaît. à l’inverse, un parti comme LFI est très récent et donc a eu moins de parlementaires avec des carrières moins longue, donc mathématiquement ils sont moins représentés.
SixEightL on
Pierre-Alain Cottineau has entered the chat.
nahunk on
Hahahahaha well done!
Romeo_4J on
Wow RN (Ruski Nazionale) is run by criminals what a shock
TKRAYKATS on
Ah, the chart that show something useless
SoftSkinTurtle on
It’s it me or is this graph leaning heavily to the right…
Zagrebian on
Is there a filter to only show politicians who currently have an function in public office? In other words, people who get their salary from the French public budget. Such a filter would be very useful.
HighwoodChall on
It’s a bullshit chart
The vast majority of the people are dead or not sitting at the assembly
It was made by french leftist because elections are coming next weekend
No-Bodybuilder1903 on
Beyond the fact that the graphic representation is simply atrocious, the methodology is equally appalling. The Republicans (LR) and the Socialist Party (PS) were large, long-established parties. They are now relatively minor, but they held a considerable number of seats and remain significant political forces at the local level. If, as the title suggests, this refers to politicians in general, regardless of their position, then this map is essentially meaningless: the older a party is and the more elected officials it has, the more likely it is to have had a significant number of convictions. Furthermore, this graph is actually inaccurate; the R! cannot have convictions before 2010 for the simple reason that they only existed in 2021. And what are these bubbles in the center? I suppose they represent independents, but we have no information on the dates or the people involved. And how far does the center extend? For example, in such a representation, if something dates back to, say, the 1970s and concerns a left-wing politician, where will that person be located? On the right? Also in the center, without distinction? On the French Communist Party (PCF) side, in 2023, a member of parliament, Nicolas Sansu, was sentenced to prison. I don’t see anything beyond what appears to be 2015. Martial Passi, a PCF mayor, was also convicted in 2019, as was Jean-Paul Trovero, another communist mayor convicted in 2019. Furthermore, this graph is quite illegible; I struggle to see what is before or after 2020 in the center. Moreover, this site is somewhat of a scam.
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**Source:** https://casier-politique.fr/
**How to read it**: Far-left MPs are positioned at the very left of the hemicycle, it goes gradually to the traditional left, then centrists, traditional right and finally far-right wingers to the very right.
**The bubbles** “1 an, 3 ans, 5 ans” represent the lengths of sentences (1, 3, 5 years).
**Colours**, from the left to the right:
– Purple (LFI): “Radical” left
– Red (PC): French Communist Party
– Pink (PS): Traditional center-left (Socialists)
– Green (EELV): Main environmentalist party
– Light blue (RE): Macron’s centrist party
– Orange (UDF): Traditional centrist parties
– Dark blue (LR): Traditional conservatives
– Brown (RN): Far-right nationalist party (Le Pen)
– Black (R!): Reconquête!, hardline far-right
I am ashamed to ask this but how does one read this chart? I don’t get the symmetrical years, why there are bubbles between 1990 and 1990 and what it shows in general.
Someone make a map of Italian politicians, we win hands down in this kind of competition
What’s the 1 year/3 years/5 years thing?
Is that length of prison sentence?
If so how are criminal convictions that didn’t result in a prison sentence (like a fine or community service) handled?
How are people who committed multiple crimes handled?
Dear OP. What kind of chart is this and how do you read it?
The bubble sizes appear to be length of sentence? Is this so? So, severity of crime I guess?
The dates seem to radiate out from the center, except that the left side (the 9 O’clock position) radiates backward from 1980 and the right side (the 3 O’clock position) radiates forward from 1990. So what about the 12 O’clock position.
The color coding is by party.
Thats shocking! A member of the swiss parliament convicted and going to jail would be a huge scandal. And in France in some parties it seems to be monthly routine.
Gaston get the Guilliottine, the big One..
With representativeness from political parties, it would be better 🙂
Explanation:
The author used LLM to filter and sum up wikipedia, to get a list of judgements against french politicians.
It is placed on a left-right political spectrum like in our parlement, but all dates are mixed up. The blue and pink used to be very big parties in the past but not anymore. Orange disapeared completly. Purple, light-blue and black are new parties existing since only about 10 years or less. Macron’s party is light-blue.
The size of the buble is how big the sentence was. If a person is sentenced multiples times in multiple cases, it creates multiple bubbles.
Imperfections: some data was missing, which is expected because this is just an AI collecting data from wikipedia. This is mixing up all kinds of politicians, elected in all kinds of positions. the author seems to add new bubbles with time, probably because people are giving him new information now that his site is becoming popular. The author is known to be left leaning.
Can you do this for Italy too?
Right wing guys on the right of the picture, leftists on the left. As you sadly can see, you can be a politician in France while being a criminal.
Manipulated data, so many cases on the far-left are not counted „for some reason“, and I don’t even want to start with timeline or representativity issues (some figures on the right have never been MPs or senators). Raphaël Jolivet is an activist.
[deleted]
But LFI is a violent radical party! I was told they are as much of a problem as the far right!
Wait how are you able to run for office if you have a criminal record? Is that allowed in France? That’s surprising, unless many countries don’t have those barriers in place?
At least in France these people get convicted, in most other countries they just stay in power
funny: my company won’t let me in the website
What are those empty spaces? Parties without anyone convicted?
r/dataisugly
Well, well, well…
Absolutely horrible chat. Good data though
So worse than usa?
„We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?“
„Why?“
„It saves time.“
– from The Last Continent, Sir Terry Pratchett
I’ve looked at this….thing…for a solid minute, i i still can’t make up anything useful, i can’t compare anything, i don’t understand why is there a big gap on the left, i dont know if years are cumulated, and if they include „sursis“, and if a bubble is a period or a single people, i dont have useful numbers, the x axis is a joke ….
Good idea, terrible execution
I don’t believe this graph for a second, sorry. Just this week a far left (LFI) MP was condemned for diffamation. I can guarantee you there must be some heavy massaging of the data and you can easily guess who did it.
Edit: conveniently OP is not letting anyone see their post status, you know exactly why.
How is it scaled to the size of the political parties ?
I would be better to know e.g. how many percent of politicians belonging party x between e.g. 2000 to 2005 have since been convicted to sentences of 1,3,5 years.
La méthodologie est catastrophique et favorise à 100% les partis les plus jeunes. Je m’explique :
Si je prends (sur le site) en filtrant les années 2020 à 2027 et sur le RN, toutes les affaires de JMLP apparaissent alors que ça faisait longtemps qu’il n’était plus député. en gros plus un parti a une longue histoire et plus il a eu de députés dans le temps plus il va apparaître fortement parce qu’ils comptent tous les anciens députés, donc un parti comme LR qui n’a q’une centaine de députés actuellement, en a eu plusieurs milliers dans le passé et donc à chaque fois qu’un ancien député est condamné il apparaît. à l’inverse, un parti comme LFI est très récent et donc a eu moins de parlementaires avec des carrières moins longue, donc mathématiquement ils sont moins représentés.
Pierre-Alain Cottineau has entered the chat.
Hahahahaha well done!
Wow RN (Ruski Nazionale) is run by criminals what a shock
Ah, the chart that show something useless
It’s it me or is this graph leaning heavily to the right…
Is there a filter to only show politicians who currently have an function in public office? In other words, people who get their salary from the French public budget. Such a filter would be very useful.
It’s a bullshit chart
The vast majority of the people are dead or not sitting at the assembly
It was made by french leftist because elections are coming next weekend
Beyond the fact that the graphic representation is simply atrocious, the methodology is equally appalling. The Republicans (LR) and the Socialist Party (PS) were large, long-established parties. They are now relatively minor, but they held a considerable number of seats and remain significant political forces at the local level. If, as the title suggests, this refers to politicians in general, regardless of their position, then this map is essentially meaningless: the older a party is and the more elected officials it has, the more likely it is to have had a significant number of convictions. Furthermore, this graph is actually inaccurate; the R! cannot have convictions before 2010 for the simple reason that they only existed in 2021. And what are these bubbles in the center? I suppose they represent independents, but we have no information on the dates or the people involved. And how far does the center extend? For example, in such a representation, if something dates back to, say, the 1970s and concerns a left-wing politician, where will that person be located? On the right? Also in the center, without distinction? On the French Communist Party (PCF) side, in 2023, a member of parliament, Nicolas Sansu, was sentenced to prison. I don’t see anything beyond what appears to be 2015. Martial Passi, a PCF mayor, was also convicted in 2019, as was Jean-Paul Trovero, another communist mayor convicted in 2019. Furthermore, this graph is quite illegible; I struggle to see what is before or after 2020 in the center. Moreover, this site is somewhat of a scam.
[https://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/isere-le-maire-pcf-de-fontaine-condamne-pour-favoritisme-20191015](https://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/isere-le-maire-pcf-de-fontaine-condamne-pour-favoritisme-20191015)
[https://www.rue89lyon.fr/2019/04/12/martial-passi-lancien-maire-de-givors-condamne-en-appel-pour-prise-illegale-dinterets-et-recel/](https://www.rue89lyon.fr/2019/04/12/martial-passi-lancien-maire-de-givors-condamne-en-appel-pour-prise-illegale-dinterets-et-recel/)
[https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2019/02/14/un-mois-de-prison-avec-sursis-pour-un-maire-pcf-condamne-pour-agression-sexuelle_5423605_3224.html](https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2019/02/14/un-mois-de-prison-avec-sursis-pour-un-maire-pcf-condamne-pour-agression-sexuelle_5423605_3224.html)
Surprisingly those that are closer to the economy are more corrupt. Who would’ve guessed?