If the EU wants to stay functional, it needs members that respect the same democratic rules.
Temporary_Sell3384 on
Creating two tier membership is a disasterous strategic move.
tranbun on
Remember, before 2022 it was Hungary AND Poland that took turns in bending the bloc over. UK at some point got tired of bending EU that it started bending itself. We had PIIGS that were scapegoats and with rise of nationalism across EU who knows which other country will be the next „root of all evil“.
Any-Original-6113 on
Orban will soon be kicked out of Hungary, but the precedent for imposing restrictions will have been set.
It will then be forced on other small countries under one pretext or another.
That’s how, under the cover of good intentions, a two-speed Europe will be built.
And later, leveraging the disenfranchised votes of the small states, EU bureaucrats will move to curb even major countries like Italy and Spain.
In the end, only France and Germany might keep their full veto power in the new EU; the rest will be severely limited or lose it altogether.
Nice plan, von der Leyen.
KadmonX on
What are you going to do with the Hungary you already have?
VeryluckyorNot on
Before that they need to change the veto and voting system ASAP.
Incvbvs666 on
Ah, how best for larger EU countries to exert complete political hegemony over smaller ones?
Yeah, hard pass on that.
MercantileReptile on
>The debate in the Commission’s Berlaymont headquarters is about what “the lessons we have learned from the 2004 enlargement” are, the Commission official said, referring to when Hungary, Slovakia and eight other countries joined the bloc. “Does our Union have the ability to respond to backwards steps? Not really.”
How encouraging. But hey, after 20 years at least *someone* in the Commission realises they fucked up. At this pace, the required reforms for the mess with existing members will be done in time for EU accession talks with Mare Serenitatis.
Kaiur14 on
I think that’s right. In fact, there should be a clear procedure for expulsion or suspension of rights. And they should do something about Hungary—no more euros.
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First plan how to boot Hungary 1.0
Drop the veto thing … QMV all the way, the end.
If the EU wants to stay functional, it needs members that respect the same democratic rules.
Creating two tier membership is a disasterous strategic move.
Remember, before 2022 it was Hungary AND Poland that took turns in bending the bloc over. UK at some point got tired of bending EU that it started bending itself. We had PIIGS that were scapegoats and with rise of nationalism across EU who knows which other country will be the next „root of all evil“.
Orban will soon be kicked out of Hungary, but the precedent for imposing restrictions will have been set.
It will then be forced on other small countries under one pretext or another.
That’s how, under the cover of good intentions, a two-speed Europe will be built.
And later, leveraging the disenfranchised votes of the small states, EU bureaucrats will move to curb even major countries like Italy and Spain.
In the end, only France and Germany might keep their full veto power in the new EU; the rest will be severely limited or lose it altogether.
Nice plan, von der Leyen.
What are you going to do with the Hungary you already have?
Before that they need to change the veto and voting system ASAP.
Ah, how best for larger EU countries to exert complete political hegemony over smaller ones?
Yeah, hard pass on that.
>The debate in the Commission’s Berlaymont headquarters is about what “the lessons we have learned from the 2004 enlargement” are, the Commission official said, referring to when Hungary, Slovakia and eight other countries joined the bloc. “Does our Union have the ability to respond to backwards steps? Not really.”
How encouraging. But hey, after 20 years at least *someone* in the Commission realises they fucked up. At this pace, the required reforms for the mess with existing members will be done in time for EU accession talks with Mare Serenitatis.
I think that’s right. In fact, there should be a clear procedure for expulsion or suspension of rights. And they should do something about Hungary—no more euros.