„Grundsolide“ Mehrheit gegen die Unabhängigkeit von Alberta: Umfrage von Abacus Data
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/abacus-data-alberta-separation-poll-9.7116515
„Grundsolide“ Mehrheit gegen die Unabhängigkeit von Alberta: Umfrage von Abacus Data
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/abacus-data-alberta-separation-poll-9.7116515
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Even if they dont leave a full quarter is crazy. A full quarter of the population that have zero interest in developing or contributing to the country financially, politially, or militarily. Astoundingly high.
Don’t take anything for granted. Go out and vote down these separatist assholes.
Which is a surprise to absolutely no one that doesn’t live exclusively on the internet. I live in the most Conservative part of Alberta and don’t hear shit about this.
Bots and sock puppets doing wonders to keep this alive and make it look like the Conservatives support it.
>Mitch Sylvestre, CEO of separatist group Alberta Prosperity Project, said he thinks there are many Albertans who would not be inclined to share their honest opinions with a pollster, and that his group is hearing from many in favour of separation.
>“Polls are irrelevant, as far as we’re concerned here. We’re not paying attention to them,” he told CBC News.
Ah yes, the good old playbook of „I’ll cover my ears because you’re not saying what I want to hear.“
The only way it could ever happen is if we all assume it’s such a solid majority that we don’t have to vote.
I live in Alberta, there was never any chance of this happening. Media nonsense.
When Ipsos did a [poll last month](https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/support-independence-alberta-reaches-levels-similar-quebec), they polled a higher % of people in Quebec that wanted to separate than Alberta, so why are we getting what feels like daily articles about Alberta and not Quebec?
Also, from this article:
*The Abacus poll also suggests many are firmly entrenched in their position. Of those opposed to separation, 56 per cent said they were strongly against it. Thirteen per cent of those in support were strongly in favour.*
Classic. So somehow both supporters of staying and of leaving „are firmly entrenched in their position“, and then they cite only thirteen percent of leavers as strongly in favour? Compared to 56% strongly in favour of staying? Horse shit. Those that want to stay are firmly entrenched in their position. A fraction of those that want to leave are. Complete misrepresentation with that sentence.
I know this sub gobbles this stuff up because they love to hate Alberta for being on the other side of the political spectrum as the majority of users here, but living in Calgary, people here mock and laugh at these „separatists“ and consider them a joke. Outside of a very small % of the population in the city and the rural areas this isn’t even something people talk about or take seriously.
>Polls are irrelevant, as far as we’re concerned here. We’re not paying attention to them
That’s funny because the rest of the country is about to start not paying attention to this separatist nonsense
I have family in Edmonton that I visit regularly, you don’t hear much, if any support for separatism there. But I was in Medicine Hat for the first time last month to visit a friend and the separatist talk is quite prevalent and open.
I was shocked. Especially how hopelessly deluded these people are. They really believe they would be accepted into the US as automatically full fledged citizens….some even think they’d be honoured as some kinda of freedom fighter heroes.
It’s absolutely bizarre that they think the US is thinking about their personal welfare, that Trump cares about them, personally.
This is this first time in my life that I’ve witnessed group psychosis….and it’s frightening. It was a useful insight to understanding how MAGA happened. Just aggressive self delusion….a complete fantasy world.
There. So let them have their little referendum and then they can shut up.
Again, the amount of media coverage this absolute non-story receives is stupidity of the highest order. Every headline about this is tantamount to screaming fire in a crowded theatre because somebody spotted a cigarette butt on the sidewalk. Even articles discussing how inane this is would be displaying more journalistic integrity if they were to instead focus on stories about bigfoot.
Aside from the main poll question about support/opposition for separation, this part of the article is interesting too:
>The poll also asked respondents how they thought some political leaders would vote in a referendum on separation.
>**Fifty-three per cent said they thought Smith would vote in favour of separation**, the highest of the five leaders presented as options in the poll.
>**Twenty-nine per cent said they believed Smith would vote to remain in Canada**, while **18 per cent were unsure.**
>“I have been very clear: I support a strong and sovereign Alberta within a united Canada,“ Smith said in a statement.
>While it does not reflect Smith’s actual voting intention, Coletto said the question was asked to shed light on the perceptions Albertans have about her.
>…
>**Twenty-two per cent of respondents said they thought Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre would vote in favour of Alberta separation**. Poilievre has also said he is in favour of a united Canada.
>**Sixteen per cent said they believed former Alberta premier Jason Kenney would vote to separate**, while **seven per cent and six per cent said the same of former premier Rachel Notley and current Alberta NDP leader Naheed Nenshi,** respectively.
No fuckin shit
Markets price probability × impact, not majority sentiment. You don’t need 50% support to move spreads, just credible odds of a break. In 1995, as Quebec polls tightened, bond spreads and equity volatility rose into the vote.
That’s the point for Alberta: even with 64% opposed today, the moment a referendum becomes plausible, markets will start pricing tail risk before voters do.
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Old rural boomers aren’t satisfied with destroying their communities they now want to destroy their province.
The more attention we give to these rock-kicking, dirt farming dipshits the happier they are. Treat them like a toddler with a tantrum to take the wind out of their sails. They will eventually tucker themselves out and go back to sleep.
But if they make any more moves to align with Rapey McTinyhands down south, that’s treason son.
My thoughts on this is that even if a small minority of the population wants to separate, they are still going to put it to a vote which will be a loss in and of itself. Why? Because that’s what Trump and his cabinet want. Look at the rhetoric he has been spouting regarding rigged elections in his own country. Look at the American actions on the world stage in the last couple months. They have kidnapped the leader of one oil rich country and have taken soft control of Venezuela and they have bombed and killed the leader and Civillians of another oil rich country. That paired with the rhetoric that he wants Canada as the 51st state makes even the slightest consideration of separation a MASSIVE problem. If separation goes to a vote and fails, there is a non-zero chance that Trump will say the vote was rigged and that there needs to be physical intervention. If that happens, the states will invade Alberta for the oil. If by some miracle Alberta DOES separate, then that non-zero chance of Alberta being invaded goes to 100%.
So, while the thought of separation is ludicrous to begin with, it is extremely dangerous and naive to think that there will be zero repercussions should it fail.
Yes, they’re not separatists, unlike Quebecers
Don’t be surprised if a referendum shows otherwise. Or, more likely, it shows just enough to give Trump a reason to start mouthing off again.
I don’t think anyone deserves to be called a cunt more than Danielle Smith.
I guess the rest of Canada will be paying for this Elections Canada referendum?
The number of people who support separatism is still way higher than the number of people who would be better off if that happened. There is nothing conservative about trying to break and reform society.