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    3. gerningur on

      Are the South Koreans mostly students? You do not associate them with any problems generally

    6. gera75 on

      You will get hate for this but the same ones that are offended by it never saw a person from the dark red countries working in the Netherlands, they are good at making babies though

    7. Basic-Pressure-1367 on

      This is what happens when your immigration policy exists to attract low wage workers. It’s not even a gatcha, poor people in the Netherlands pay very little in taxes and receive a lot of support, and their system is set up to attract people willing to flip burgers and mow lawns. Their children weren’t going to suddenly become doctors and lawyers.

    10. funkycat4 on

      “contribution” is doing a lot of the work here, taxes paid is not the only input an individual has into the state let alone the economy, what about corporate tax paid by corps staffed by immigrants? this is just a map of skilled labored by country of origin and not much more

    13. im_not_creative123 on

      Poor immigrants contribute less money than rich immigrants? Shocker

      I’m sure the economic contribution between rich and poor natives is not much different

    14. ozneoknarf on

      So westerners, followed by Indonesians, Indians and southern coners makes the best immigrants? 

    15. SirCrapsalot4267 on

      I assume this map gets waved around like it’s some objective proof that the Global South is draining the Netherlands but it’s a modeled lifetime projection built on heavy assumptions, not a ledger carved in stone. I looked into the sourcing. It assumes no remigration, collapses wildly different migration categories into big regional buckets, and treats people as fiscal units instead of participants in a dynamic labor market and an aging society. Refugees, labor migrants, students, second-generation kids are all squashed into red shading that looks a lot like a civilizational narrative. You can debate migration policy and welfare sustainability seriously and there’s a lot to say there, but for anyone looking at this and jumping from a contested long term fiscal model for net immigrant contribution to ‚these people are parasites‘ please be careful.

    16. katsumojo on

      An interesting dimension of this map is that children are included. Basing this only on gut feeling, I would be willing to bet that people from North America and the rest of Western Europe are less likely to move to the Netherlands with children than people from the areas in red. Why?

      -The places in red also have higher birth rates per family
      -When you have children you become singularly obsessed with how to give them a better life. For people in red areas, that means moving somewhere with a higher quality of life. For people in the blue areas, that means staying where your parents are so they can help you raise your children.
      -Given my second point I think it’s safe to assume that a higher percentage of the people that move to the Netherlands from the West are childless than people that move there from the non-western world.

      I don’t think my points invalidate the map but I do think they soften the polarity of it.

    17. Normal_Move6523 on

      There’s 0% chance there’s enough immigrants from any small country (eg Belize, marked as *having data* here) to make w/e point this map is making.

    18. iflfish on

      „1st + 2nd gen.“? Does it mean that people who were born there are seen as „immigrants“ in the Netherlands?

    19. Fragrant-Check7974 on

      Jonathan Pallasen grabbed that data from GRENZELOZE VERZORGINGSSTAAT DE GEVOLGEN VAN IMMIGRATIE VOOR DE OVERHEIDSFINANCIËN , table 4.3, page 98. That paper was written and funded by the Renaissance Instituut (RI), a think-tank of FvD, their other papers are about „omvolking“ or great replacement, etc. it’s not unbiased research, it’s shlock

    21. This-Wall-1331 on

      Net negative = they need to live from welfare while working because their employer refuses to pay higher salaries

    22. emrakk on

      so they literally sold black people as slaves for centuries and still can mange to deficit from sub-saharan africans?

    23. TSSalamander on

      Haven’t you heard. Poor people don’t contribute to society either, only rich people do. They pay all the taxes right? Women, net drains. Only men are worth having. Also, we should deport the pensioners.

    24. SoupToPots on

      But is the gdp going up??? Please someone fast we need to know if the billionaires are okay!

    25. RoyaleKingdom78 on

      This is dictionary definition of using data to deceive people. Your 80iq local “anti-immigrant” guy wouldn’t question reasons laying behind it and would directly think “Muslims and Blacks are human filth” .
      An American engineer earning 1000x$ would erase 1000 Iranian healthcare workers earning 1x $. That
      American engineer isn’t going to spend that money but instead transfer it back to US.
      Iranian nurse did not only do the job no dutch would want to do but also got underpaid, overworked and had to spend %90 of his income locally.

      Another indicator is you cannot replace folks from red countries with blue ones like many people think.

      Always question data.

    26. ChiliConCairney on

      Look at the source. This is not a credible piece of research. It’s just some completely random no-name institute with absolutely zero peer review. It’s never even been cited in anything.

      There’s a nuanced discussion to be had about this topic, but posting nonsense like this as authoritative really hurts your side. I could get on Stata or use R or Python and do something better than this in about 2 hours

    27. yumio-3 on

      As a Djiboutian I dont even think we got more than 20 people in Netherlands lmao!

    31. Pleadis-1234 on

      This is just which immigrants are poor and which are rich – and that’s assuming that the data is legit or even meaningful

    32. AdDefiant1457 on

      Stop bringing 3rd worlders into your country unless you wanna get 3rd worlded. It’s pretty simple

    33. Fluid-Decision6262 on

      I’m honesty shocked that East and South Asia is not blue…if the U.S. had a stat for this all of Asia would be dark blue lol

    34. whatsyowifi on

      To be fair there’s probably a small % of immigrants who bring in 90% of the wealth from the white countries + Japan.

      I refuse to believe a country like Philippines is a net negative contributor to ANY country they immigrate to.

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