Great fucking quote:
>’We’ve learnt the lessons from Iraq. We don’t want to go back into war in the Middle East where there is no clear plan and no legal basis to do so,’ says Cabinet minister Darren Jones
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>.. Sir Keir refused to allow British bases to be used by US forces for the initial and offensive attacks on Iran, stressing he would not do so unless there was a lawful basis for doing so, as well as a “thought-through plan” on the conflict.
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>Tearing into the PM on the war, Trump told The Sun: “He has not been helpful.
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BrianWantsTruth on
He literally doesn’t care. His response to the tariffs being deemed illegal was to increase tariffs. Hegseth celebrated the fact that without following normal channels, they don’t have to worry about those pesky rules of engagement.
These creatures don’t *care* if it’s legal or not. They don’t *care* if their actions are proven to be unlawful.
They’re past the point of making up stories or justifications, or even lies; they’re now at the point of just saying “okay, and?”
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Ezpz_commentz on
Trump tells UK: Because I say it’s legal!
eugene20 on
That’s never going to work because from his perspective ‚It’s legal because I’m the President‘
or ‚It’s my damn ball and I’ll do what I like with it‘ as per how he plays golf, or anything else.
And yes it’s worrying because he has access to the nuclear football too.
G_UK on
We aren’t dealing with people who can use reason, logic and the rule of law.
The guys a felon, rapist and peadophile. If it wasn’t for the American people electing him president, he’d be in a prison cell, where anyone else who’d committed the same crimes would be
omfgeometry on
Trump doesn’t even have a concept of a plan for this war
Blubbolo on
Because…shut up.
That’s what the Pedo in chief answer will probably be.
The_Frostweaver on
The ‚imminent threat‘ was that Israel said they were going to bomb Iran.
And based on past experience when someone bombs Iran they retaliate.
So USA had to pre-emptive strike Iran to deminish their capacity to retaliate.
Of course if you just tell Benjamin Netanyahu to sit on a stick and spin then there was never an imminent threat.
Trump got played by Benjamin Netanyahu, who in his own words „has been wanting to bomb Iran for 40 years“.
Trump pretending the USA has no ability to dissuade Israel from bombing Iran is laughable.
The USA gives 3.8 Billion per year to Israel and provides insane amounts of military support by shooting down hundreds of missiles launched by Iran before they get anywhere near Israel. The value of having two fully operational (toilets aside) air craft carrier groups watching your back has is huge.
roam3D on
That question underlies a false premise.
It doesn’t matter if something is legal or not when laws aren’t enforced.
Mean-worded letters are of no consequence when you command the biggest military in the world.
Might, unfortunately, makes right.
Eirikur_da_Czech on
Have Iran explain how slaughtering thousands of people in the streets is legal.
R3D4F on
Explain how anything he does is legal…
– Iran
– Venezuela
– Tariffs
– Market Manipulation
– ICE overriding kidnapping and due process
– on and on and on
He’s literally a convicted felon who was given the keys to F everything up by 1/3 of US voters.
magicaldingus on
People in this thread are easily distracted by the irrelevant discussion about whether or not things are „legal“ per „international law“, and are therefore confused and completely in the dark about what’s actually happening here.
The US motivations in this war have very little to do with Israel, other than that it has found an incredibly effective ally in the region who is willing to absorb damage and offer intelligence and firepower.
The reason Trump/the US is fighting Iran has everything to do with China. A quarter of Iran’s GDP is oil exports to China, who is an energy importer due to their vast manufacturing capabilities. The US rightfully feels threatened by the Chinese plan to become the world’s pre-eminent superpower by 2040. The power dynamics that flow from Iran’s relationship with China, and China’s path to world dominance (and consequently threatening American world dominance), has convinced the American administration that they need to act now.
Israel obviously sees a lot of benefits to overthrowing the regime, since it represents an acute security threat, and has plotted and executed massacres and attacks against Israel due to its ideological opposition to the existence of israel as a Jewish state.
Israeli and American interests are in almost complete alignment for this war. But don’t make the mistake in thinking that they’re not independent. They’re operating on two different chess boards, with two completely different scopes.
And the third chessboard is intra-Iranian politics. In this scope, the interests of the Iranian people, the vast majority of whom oppose the IRGC, clearly align with Israel and the US interests.
jynxzero on
Good job SCOTUS ruled on the tariffs, otherwise UK would get getting +25% just for asking this question.
VagueSomething on
Americans have spent years saying they don’t need us. So go on then, pop off, show us you’re fine alone and stop being in our DMs. You’ve been spending fucking years saying Britain is washed up and irrelevant, years saying we’re a failing state.
Crying because we’re not making your distraction war look legitimate by helping and it is harder to do logistics without us is just showing how fucking stupid America has been.
freedomwider on
The thing is, you can’t believe him to give a straight answer. The answer will fit the question regardless of whether it fits objective fact.
The only thing you can believe is the tangential information he volunteers as off-hand comments. This is the only time he isn’t lying.
Gladwulf on
Declaring war is a lot like grabbing someone by the pussy, when you’re famous they just let you do it.
Darkone539 on
It’s funny watching trump learn in real time that the UK bases actually matter to power projection. Launching from the usa for one and done missions is not the same as a campaign.
He’s literally upset with the uk because he said he didn’t them and was wrong.
Rageoffreys on
I think you’ll find most wars are quite illegal.
Without an enforcer it’s pointless to have these types of discussions.
4862skrrt2684 on
„that’s a liberal question. Biden was sleepy btw“
Randomnesse on
„Because they’re evil and they’re bad“ – Trump’s own words today.
Winter_Whole2080 on
At least someone in government is trying to check and balance the President. Too bad it’s not our own government, as the Constitution states.
classteen on
It is the Iraq war all over again. Same lies about weapons of mass destructions. Same shit response from Europe about war being illegal while doing nothing. Same people believing their president wont bomb school because they are fighting a brutal dictatorship who does not care about its populuous. Same population of an opressed people rejoicing that the regime change will be the end of it all. Same conspiracy theories about Jews, pedophiles and cannibals controlling the world. Same patriotic journalists, jingoistic politicians, academic media users drawing the same conclusion from similar events.
elgigantedelsur on
Nice to see a UK government with some balls
LordJebusVII on
Until he faces some consequences for his actions he will keep doing whatever the hell he wants.
If this was the leader of any other country bombing other countries on the other side of the world on a whim there would be daily rioting in the streets in every major city
captainalphabet on
It should be clear by now that since he was a little boy this ass has assumed the president is a king who can do whatever he wants.
minobi on
Didn’t he tell everyone that he cares less then nothing about legality of his actions?
Persimmon-Mission on
Because he doesn’t care about the law. He pisses on US law, and you think he cares or even knows about international law? That’s cute.
cliff99 on
„They want me to obey laws? Wah, wah, wah, I’m being treated so unfairly“!
gr1msh33p3r on
Hes just said he’s halting all exports to Spain, just like the smacked arse crybaby bully he is.
Spazum on
„When you’re famous they just let you do it.“
doninside on
„because I say so“ Or do you prefer „because reasons, very serious reasons, the best reasons“?
REGIS-5 on
Trump tells the UK: Nothing in my life is legal, explain that
Bisjoux on
The fact that Trump is really annoyed with our PM confirms we are doing the right thing in not getting involved more than we need to in order to protect British interests.
The fact that Israel have invaded Lebanon and are seizing land to “protect” its citizens confirms this has nothing to do with wanting to effect regime change in Iran.
Plus I’ve lost count of the number of different reasons Trump/Rubio/Vance/Hegseth have given in an attempt to justify their action.
I feel heartbroken for Iranians who will pay a heavy price for this.
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Is any war legal?
Sometimes the simple questions are the best.
Great fucking quote:
>’We’ve learnt the lessons from Iraq. We don’t want to go back into war in the Middle East where there is no clear plan and no legal basis to do so,’ says Cabinet minister Darren Jones
>
>.. Sir Keir refused to allow British bases to be used by US forces for the initial and offensive attacks on Iran, stressing he would not do so unless there was a lawful basis for doing so, as well as a “thought-through plan” on the conflict.
>
>Tearing into the PM on the war, Trump told The Sun: “He has not been helpful.
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He literally doesn’t care. His response to the tariffs being deemed illegal was to increase tariffs. Hegseth celebrated the fact that without following normal channels, they don’t have to worry about those pesky rules of engagement.
These creatures don’t *care* if it’s legal or not. They don’t *care* if their actions are proven to be unlawful.
They’re past the point of making up stories or justifications, or even lies; they’re now at the point of just saying “okay, and?”
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Trump tells UK: Because I say it’s legal!
That’s never going to work because from his perspective ‚It’s legal because I’m the President‘
or ‚It’s my damn ball and I’ll do what I like with it‘ as per how he plays golf, or anything else.
And yes it’s worrying because he has access to the nuclear football too.
We aren’t dealing with people who can use reason, logic and the rule of law.
The guys a felon, rapist and peadophile. If it wasn’t for the American people electing him president, he’d be in a prison cell, where anyone else who’d committed the same crimes would be
Trump doesn’t even have a concept of a plan for this war
Because…shut up.
That’s what the Pedo in chief answer will probably be.
The ‚imminent threat‘ was that Israel said they were going to bomb Iran.
And based on past experience when someone bombs Iran they retaliate.
So USA had to pre-emptive strike Iran to deminish their capacity to retaliate.
Of course if you just tell Benjamin Netanyahu to sit on a stick and spin then there was never an imminent threat.
Trump got played by Benjamin Netanyahu, who in his own words „has been wanting to bomb Iran for 40 years“.
Trump pretending the USA has no ability to dissuade Israel from bombing Iran is laughable.
The USA gives 3.8 Billion per year to Israel and provides insane amounts of military support by shooting down hundreds of missiles launched by Iran before they get anywhere near Israel. The value of having two fully operational (toilets aside) air craft carrier groups watching your back has is huge.
That question underlies a false premise.
It doesn’t matter if something is legal or not when laws aren’t enforced.
Mean-worded letters are of no consequence when you command the biggest military in the world.
Might, unfortunately, makes right.
Have Iran explain how slaughtering thousands of people in the streets is legal.
Explain how anything he does is legal…
– Iran
– Venezuela
– Tariffs
– Market Manipulation
– ICE overriding kidnapping and due process
– on and on and on
He’s literally a convicted felon who was given the keys to F everything up by 1/3 of US voters.
People in this thread are easily distracted by the irrelevant discussion about whether or not things are „legal“ per „international law“, and are therefore confused and completely in the dark about what’s actually happening here.
The US motivations in this war have very little to do with Israel, other than that it has found an incredibly effective ally in the region who is willing to absorb damage and offer intelligence and firepower.
The reason Trump/the US is fighting Iran has everything to do with China. A quarter of Iran’s GDP is oil exports to China, who is an energy importer due to their vast manufacturing capabilities. The US rightfully feels threatened by the Chinese plan to become the world’s pre-eminent superpower by 2040. The power dynamics that flow from Iran’s relationship with China, and China’s path to world dominance (and consequently threatening American world dominance), has convinced the American administration that they need to act now.
Israel obviously sees a lot of benefits to overthrowing the regime, since it represents an acute security threat, and has plotted and executed massacres and attacks against Israel due to its ideological opposition to the existence of israel as a Jewish state.
Israeli and American interests are in almost complete alignment for this war. But don’t make the mistake in thinking that they’re not independent. They’re operating on two different chess boards, with two completely different scopes.
And the third chessboard is intra-Iranian politics. In this scope, the interests of the Iranian people, the vast majority of whom oppose the IRGC, clearly align with Israel and the US interests.
Good job SCOTUS ruled on the tariffs, otherwise UK would get getting +25% just for asking this question.
Americans have spent years saying they don’t need us. So go on then, pop off, show us you’re fine alone and stop being in our DMs. You’ve been spending fucking years saying Britain is washed up and irrelevant, years saying we’re a failing state.
Crying because we’re not making your distraction war look legitimate by helping and it is harder to do logistics without us is just showing how fucking stupid America has been.
The thing is, you can’t believe him to give a straight answer. The answer will fit the question regardless of whether it fits objective fact.
The only thing you can believe is the tangential information he volunteers as off-hand comments. This is the only time he isn’t lying.
Declaring war is a lot like grabbing someone by the pussy, when you’re famous they just let you do it.
It’s funny watching trump learn in real time that the UK bases actually matter to power projection. Launching from the usa for one and done missions is not the same as a campaign.
He’s literally upset with the uk because he said he didn’t them and was wrong.
I think you’ll find most wars are quite illegal.
Without an enforcer it’s pointless to have these types of discussions.
„that’s a liberal question. Biden was sleepy btw“
„Because they’re evil and they’re bad“ – Trump’s own words today.
At least someone in government is trying to check and balance the President. Too bad it’s not our own government, as the Constitution states.
It is the Iraq war all over again. Same lies about weapons of mass destructions. Same shit response from Europe about war being illegal while doing nothing. Same people believing their president wont bomb school because they are fighting a brutal dictatorship who does not care about its populuous. Same population of an opressed people rejoicing that the regime change will be the end of it all. Same conspiracy theories about Jews, pedophiles and cannibals controlling the world. Same patriotic journalists, jingoistic politicians, academic media users drawing the same conclusion from similar events.
Nice to see a UK government with some balls
Until he faces some consequences for his actions he will keep doing whatever the hell he wants.
If this was the leader of any other country bombing other countries on the other side of the world on a whim there would be daily rioting in the streets in every major city
It should be clear by now that since he was a little boy this ass has assumed the president is a king who can do whatever he wants.
Didn’t he tell everyone that he cares less then nothing about legality of his actions?
Because he doesn’t care about the law. He pisses on US law, and you think he cares or even knows about international law? That’s cute.
„They want me to obey laws? Wah, wah, wah, I’m being treated so unfairly“!
Hes just said he’s halting all exports to Spain, just like the smacked arse crybaby bully he is.
„When you’re famous they just let you do it.“
„because I say so“ Or do you prefer „because reasons, very serious reasons, the best reasons“?
Trump tells the UK: Nothing in my life is legal, explain that
The fact that Trump is really annoyed with our PM confirms we are doing the right thing in not getting involved more than we need to in order to protect British interests.
The fact that Israel have invaded Lebanon and are seizing land to “protect” its citizens confirms this has nothing to do with wanting to effect regime change in Iran.
Plus I’ve lost count of the number of different reasons Trump/Rubio/Vance/Hegseth have given in an attempt to justify their action.
I feel heartbroken for Iranians who will pay a heavy price for this.