Wir brauchen keine unbeaufsichtigten Killerroboter | KI-Unternehmen könnten zusammenhalten, um rote Linien für militärische KI zu ziehen – warum tun sie das nicht?

    https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/885963/anthropic-dod-pentagon-tech-workers-ai-labs-react

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    1. SunshineSeattle on

      See its gonna be one of those, well if we dont have unsupervised kill bots, they will! Ergo we have to preemptively make unsupervised chatGpt kill bots. 

      What is this ducking timeline.

    2. Some key areas for concern and discussion:

      >While the Department of Defense has spent weeks negotiating with Anthropic over removing its guardrails, including allowing the US military to use Anthropic’s AI kill targets with no human oversight, OpenAI and xAI had reportedly already agreed to such terms, although OpenAI is reportedly attempting to adopt the same red lines in the agreements as Anthropic. The overall situation has left employees at some companies with defense contracts feeling betrayed. “When I joined the tech industry, I thought tech was about making people’s lives easier,” an Amazon Web Services employee told The Verge, “but now it seems like it’s all about making it easier to surveil and deport and kill people.”
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      >In conversations with The Verge, current and former employees from OpenAI, xAI, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google expressed similar feelings about the changing moral landscape of their companies. Organized groups representing 700,000 tech workers at Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and more have signed a letter demanding that the companies reject the Pentagon’s demands. But many saw little chance of their employers — whether they’re directly embroiled in this conflict or not — questioning the government or pushing back.
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      >“From their perspective, they’d love to keep making money and not have to talk about it,” said a software engineer from Microsoft.
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      >The AWS employee told The Verge that “boundaries have definitely eroded in terms of the customers big tech is willing to court” and that there’s “a deliberate whitewashing of the implications of new lucrative deals.” She recalled recently receiving an email from an AWS executive touting a more than $580 million contract with the US Air Force, among other partnerships, as a sign of Amazon’s AI successes, with no acknowledgment of the broader scope or harms involved.
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      >“If the government is hell-bent on pursuing technologies like this, they should have to build them themselves, and be answerable for those decisions,” she said.
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      >The erosion may have extended to internal culture as well — normalizing the idea that companies should always be watching. The AWS employee said that she and her colleagues are tracked on how much they’re using AI for their jobs, how often they’re working from the office, and more. “I can see myself and my coworkers getting more desensitized to surveillance on ourselves at work, and I’m worried that means we’re obeying, complying, and giving up too much in advance,” she said.
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      >But this is nothing new, one AI startup employee said. In her eyes, the boundaries have often been “fuzzy, especially within AI,” about what kinds of things companies are willing to let their technology power. “A lot of it has been going on beneath the surface for as long as AI has been around.”
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      >The AWS employee emphasized that “we need cross-tech solidarity and a coherent, worker-led vision for AI now more than ever.”
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      >“The safeguards that Anthropic is trying to keep in place are no mass surveillance of Americans and no fully autonomous weapons, which just means that they want a human in the loop if the machine is going to kill somebody,” she added. “Even if this technology were perfect — which it isn’t — I think most Americans don’t want machines that kill people without human oversight running around in an America that’s become an AI-powered mass surveillance state.”

      It’s long past time that people of all stripes and their political representatives have frank and detailed discussions on what is and is not acceptable with technologies new and old. Without this basic framework and understanding, history has shown time and again that these technologies will inevitably be bent towards harming people rather than helping them. It’s good that employees are starting to become concerned, and hopefully there are enough working across the sector to come together to push for a better future rather than a darker one.

    3. ApprehensivePay1735 on

      The tech bro sociopaths actively trying to build neo-feudalism aren’t taking a moral stand when money is at stake? Color me shocked.

    4. MentalDisintegrat1on on

      Tech bros are largely on the fachist side of things they want to basically put us in a corporate ran world we’re they are government and we are cattle.

    5. DogsAreOurFriends on

      Lets face it: money.

      But ask: what is the state of our adversaries military AI?

      It is not nonexistent.

      Do we need AI to counter it?

    6. Contrary to social media outrage the US is not the only country developing Ai for military application.

      China and others are moving at a rapid pace to incorporate it into their militaries as it vastly reduces command decision times and shortens the kill chain on multiple platforms providing a serious lethal advantage. Not to mention advantages in processing massive amounts of data for all source analysis.

      Any military not incorporating it will be at a massive disadvantage.

      Only thing that can be done now is a framework.

      This needs to be viewed on par as a nuclear proliferation security framework except everyone already has a nuke program in development.

    7. One thing I keep wondering: once robots have reached a certain point of development, who will ensure those companies are not abusing that kind of power? Like, what separates a warehouse bot from a household bot from a war bot, ultimately? When you have a robot in every single household, what stops them from just sideloading some military firmware and taking hostage the entire world?

    8. Caraes_Naur on

      Profits.

      The same reason social media platforms don’t limit negative topics such as hate speech: engagement => ad impressions => profit.

    9. Useful_Calendar_6274 on

      I’m sorry are you all not familiar with the fucking military industrial complex? lmao

    10. AnimatorFunny1388 on

      Because the military complex of the EUA is giant and pay a ton of money? LOL

      Tf people think? The big techs whant a peacefull and more green planet, when everyone is happy and save, and they are investing in this? C’mon…they all want profit, money.

      Its all fun and good with the capitalism, until the water splash in the asshole, like we say in where.

    11. When was the last time humankind aborted a tech development because of the risk?

    12. spastical-mackerel on

      lol mass produced fleets of kill bots are foundational to the Yarvinist agenda.

    13. Why would they? Business is fundamentally sociopathic. They’ll obey rules if someone makes them, otherwise there are no rules.

    14. CharcoalGreyWolf on

      Money.

      I mean, that’s the reason.

      I didn’t say it was a good reason but greed is good when you’re a sociopath.

    15. skillywilly56 on

      The United States military industrial complex is the largest in human history and its spending literally keeps Americas economy functioning, becoming an integral part of the bottomless pit of money is a wet dream of unending profit for any company especially tech companies, who aren’t going to let something as trivial as morality get in the way of fulfilling their fiduciary obligation to their investors demands for 3-5% growth year on year till humanity ends or the sun goes out which ever comes first.

    16. Trumpswells on

      Government contracts too lucrative. Plus, this is how they get the foot in the door to rule over the media-captive public.

    17. b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh on

      Money. They desperately need to make money. And unlike users of LLM chatbots, victims of AI failures in military hardware might not survive to sue.

    18. We could do the right thing, or be super, super mega rich. Hmmm.

      Why are all the „*money DOES buy happiness*“ people surprised that decisions like this are made regularly?

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