I mean, what even the fuck is the point of this law, other than layering additional cruelty on people who are already heavily marginalized and prone to intersectional discrimination?
The quiet part is, of course, that without a drivers license or state ID, you can’t drive, rent a place to live, get a job, vote, get access to public services or enroll in higher education, among other things, off the top of my head, so this will get them to move elsewhere.
This strongly echos the Nazi laws enacted between 1933-1936 that resulted in the stratification of credentials for vulnerable populations, by which non-heteronormative and non-cisgendered people were definitely targeted.
What a bunch of dicks.
kenashe on
I can see this going all the way to the Supreme Court.
rougepenguin on
Honestly, this is one of those where even if you hate trans people you gotta admit there’s a big issue. When Arkansas did something similar, it was more clamping down on the ability to make future changes. Even people who got reverted under the tighter restrictions it happened at renewal. We talk „basic biology“ well this is basic civics, even Sumerians got the idea laws don’t pertain to violations from before they’re written.
Theoretically, under this law as written, a woman who is not in any way trans but falsely on the AG’s secret list and had an outdated address or a slow mailman could earnestly not know and run afoul of this law that was skipped past committees, railroaded through over a governor’s veto, and rolled out with *explicitly* no grace period could have this happen over a simple routine traffic stop. She could be thrown in jail over the new penalty, now I’m sure there’s still enough sense that wouldn’t last long but don’t you fuckin‘ lie and tell me it’s impossible she ends up in a men’s holding cell for a while. Long enough to be assaulted. And you know what? The *attacker* and every other inmate in there would have, under this law, cause to sue when the issue is sorted out because the slapdash execution made the state violate a single-sex facility.
Since this is all about whackjob scenarios let’s hear from one of y’all. After 12 years libruls gave ya one trans woman winning a collegiate title one year. Kansas just passed a law that could allow a prison rapist to successfully sue for money on top of his nonconsensual conjugal. What America you want your precious lil vanilla snowball blondie white daughter to grow up in? Cause „basic math“ says their list of ~1,800 compared to basic statistics would suggest a lot of false positives. That’s a good napkin math estimate for trans Kansans total, but after you drop nonbinary ones less likely to change docs, the young ones who haven’t yet, and the old/out-of-state transplant ones you ain’t catching that leaves a lot of room for error.
KingKnowles on
Even if you truly believed that transgender people should have a license that list their gender assigned at birth, it’s immoral and dark-hearted to make this change overnight and void the prior IDs.
No grace period at all? For a legal document provided previously by the government?
I hope everyone involved in this decision experiences pain and suffering, and that they have the awareness that this pain and suffering is caused by the pain and suffering they willingly inflict on others.
JiveChicken00 on
If any law ever met the definition of arbitrary and capricious, this is the one.
realKevinNash on
Can anyone see a way they can succeed here?
CopyIcy6896 on
Gonna show up to court without ID?
Gentleman_Villain on
I’m glad this is being challenged, but I am also afraid this is the whole point: to have this go to the SC, and have them uphold it-eroding the rights of all, furthering the tyrannical powers.
LilyPogger69 on
Praying they win and get fat stacks
nonsensestuff on
Gender identity should have no bearing in someone’s ability to obtain or maintain a valid driver’s license. It is absolutely irrelevant
NoMayoForReal on
Does the state of Kansas acknowledge that they fraudulently issued licenses in the first place then, and if that is the case shouldn’t all licenses be invalidated for everyone in Kansas since the state doesn’t know what the fuck they are doing?
Different_Victory_89 on
All to whittle down voters!
ParkerPoseyGuffman on
Kansas is so evil
Corevus on
Good, I hope they win.
muthermcreedeux on
The real fear factor for them is that they might find a trans person attractive and feel duped. That’s it. This all comes down to that one thing – being afraid that the lady they stared at and maybe made some sexual comment towards, was actually a boy once.
citizenjones on
The need for power and desire for leadership is dominated by those with a sense of hierarchy that either relies on believing in a moral superiority based on race or …. does not.
shoobe01 on
Hey! That’s my local DL center like 6 blocks away.
In a kind of a junky strip mall, so … do the rest of them look worse than this?
Blue-Nebraska on
How can ANY Republican voters feel right with what is happening to us?
crazyfatskier2 on
Kansas government just handing out free taxpayer money. If you live in this state you should really be angry about this law.
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I mean, what even the fuck is the point of this law, other than layering additional cruelty on people who are already heavily marginalized and prone to intersectional discrimination?
The quiet part is, of course, that without a drivers license or state ID, you can’t drive, rent a place to live, get a job, vote, get access to public services or enroll in higher education, among other things, off the top of my head, so this will get them to move elsewhere.
This strongly echos the Nazi laws enacted between 1933-1936 that resulted in the stratification of credentials for vulnerable populations, by which non-heteronormative and non-cisgendered people were definitely targeted.
What a bunch of dicks.
I can see this going all the way to the Supreme Court.
Honestly, this is one of those where even if you hate trans people you gotta admit there’s a big issue. When Arkansas did something similar, it was more clamping down on the ability to make future changes. Even people who got reverted under the tighter restrictions it happened at renewal. We talk „basic biology“ well this is basic civics, even Sumerians got the idea laws don’t pertain to violations from before they’re written.
Theoretically, under this law as written, a woman who is not in any way trans but falsely on the AG’s secret list and had an outdated address or a slow mailman could earnestly not know and run afoul of this law that was skipped past committees, railroaded through over a governor’s veto, and rolled out with *explicitly* no grace period could have this happen over a simple routine traffic stop. She could be thrown in jail over the new penalty, now I’m sure there’s still enough sense that wouldn’t last long but don’t you fuckin‘ lie and tell me it’s impossible she ends up in a men’s holding cell for a while. Long enough to be assaulted. And you know what? The *attacker* and every other inmate in there would have, under this law, cause to sue when the issue is sorted out because the slapdash execution made the state violate a single-sex facility.
Since this is all about whackjob scenarios let’s hear from one of y’all. After 12 years libruls gave ya one trans woman winning a collegiate title one year. Kansas just passed a law that could allow a prison rapist to successfully sue for money on top of his nonconsensual conjugal. What America you want your precious lil vanilla snowball blondie white daughter to grow up in? Cause „basic math“ says their list of ~1,800 compared to basic statistics would suggest a lot of false positives. That’s a good napkin math estimate for trans Kansans total, but after you drop nonbinary ones less likely to change docs, the young ones who haven’t yet, and the old/out-of-state transplant ones you ain’t catching that leaves a lot of room for error.
Even if you truly believed that transgender people should have a license that list their gender assigned at birth, it’s immoral and dark-hearted to make this change overnight and void the prior IDs.
No grace period at all? For a legal document provided previously by the government?
I hope everyone involved in this decision experiences pain and suffering, and that they have the awareness that this pain and suffering is caused by the pain and suffering they willingly inflict on others.
If any law ever met the definition of arbitrary and capricious, this is the one.
Can anyone see a way they can succeed here?
Gonna show up to court without ID?
I’m glad this is being challenged, but I am also afraid this is the whole point: to have this go to the SC, and have them uphold it-eroding the rights of all, furthering the tyrannical powers.
Praying they win and get fat stacks
Gender identity should have no bearing in someone’s ability to obtain or maintain a valid driver’s license. It is absolutely irrelevant
Does the state of Kansas acknowledge that they fraudulently issued licenses in the first place then, and if that is the case shouldn’t all licenses be invalidated for everyone in Kansas since the state doesn’t know what the fuck they are doing?
All to whittle down voters!
Kansas is so evil
Good, I hope they win.
The real fear factor for them is that they might find a trans person attractive and feel duped. That’s it. This all comes down to that one thing – being afraid that the lady they stared at and maybe made some sexual comment towards, was actually a boy once.
The need for power and desire for leadership is dominated by those with a sense of hierarchy that either relies on believing in a moral superiority based on race or …. does not.
Hey! That’s my local DL center like 6 blocks away.
In a kind of a junky strip mall, so … do the rest of them look worse than this?
How can ANY Republican voters feel right with what is happening to us?
Kansas government just handing out free taxpayer money. If you live in this state you should really be angry about this law.