I thought that they had made changes to this already? Or is that outside of America?
FadedEchos on
She’s not wrong about loot box mechanics, and Valve’s use of a real-money marketplace alongside them makes the association to real-money gambling much easier.
At the same time, other companies without the direct marketplace are also creating gambling loops. See: Any openable with random contents of varying rarity/impact/value. EA is huge on this now (Ultimate Team modes). Trading card games (Magic: The Gathering). Even the mystery boxes of kids toys available for $2 from a vending machine are all gambling adjacent. The real money step just happens outside of their system. Selling accounts, selling Magic Cards, selling physical collectibles…
As much as I love Valve, these should all be addressed if we value keeping children safe from addictive gambling behaviors.
OppositeofDeath on
Unfortunately, while this would still be good, we are MUCH further beyond the pale than this already. Microtransactions without concealment are at $100+ in many games, and many people/kids lack the capacity to not spend in these. Legislation is way too far behind and needs to catch up.
GetOutOfTheWhey on
ending microtransactions is something i can get behind on
nemesit on
not wrong eh
bahumat42 on
They are right, it absolutely is gambling.
And it absolutely a problem.
Impressive-Check5376 on
20 years later lol
Joeyjackhammer on
Pokémon cards are gambling, too. All trading cards are, in fact.
imJGott on
Sue valve but not EA and the many others?
Ok-Prompt-59 on
You could just make games with loot boxes M rated and absolve yourself of any wrong doing.
ArsonHoliday on
And yet we are completely fine with all of the major gambling sites like Draft Kings, Fan Duel, et all. There are too many to even list.
Got it, makes sense.
Toby101125 on
Sounds good but sue all of them, not just Valve.
PUMPEDnPLUMP on
Little late but yes
chihuahuaOP on
I agree, this is a good start for talking about it although I think new York will lose… Valve lawyer are rock starts in the lawyer’s community.
zebrasmack on
100% are. Go new york!
CrimsonHeretic on
Should have been EA, the ones who started this shit in the first place. Bad look.
Deer_Investigator881 on
Wait until they find out what 2k has been doing……
imaginary_num6er on
How soon is Tim Sweeney going to announce that Fortnite doesn’t have loot boxes, just to spite Valve?
michaelbelgium on
Took them long enough to realize that, EU realized this yearsss ago
jonnys62 on
I appreciate the sentiment, but we JUST legalized sports gambling in every state and I haven’t heard a single thing about regulating prediction markets. Why are we pretending we care about gambling problems when clearly we, as a society, don’t give a flying fuck?
To be clear, I give a fuck, I think sports gambling should be illegal.
Brodakk on
They’re only 15 years too late lol
edvurdsd on
Ah damn, how will gaben buy his 8th yacht now??
khrxs on
Aren’t valve lootboxes purely cosmetic? What about games like BF2 or gacha where you gamble for actual advantages?
VoidCL on
Loot boxes ARE gambling.
Let’s just start with that, and then we can analyze who is suing who and why.
Same with anything that gives something based on a % and that can be obtained with money.
BrianScottGregory on
FINALLY! Some intelligence is starting to happen in the legal system!
dantesmaster00 on
They are really trying to hurt valve.
ovo_Reddit on
California, do something about Nexon please.
FluffyWuffyVolibear on
And more at 7: USA lawmakers yet again nearly a decade behind other countries.
Gambling in video games has evolved far past loot boxes. But that shit don’t even matter anymore, I mean we got ppl gambling on the war Ukraine, our nation is fine with gambling. What you need to be regulating is the way games targeted at children are monetized in predatory ways that obfuscate why you need to pay money, what that money exchange rate is, and the insane cost of in game items.
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Yes, but why single them out?
I thought that they had made changes to this already? Or is that outside of America?
She’s not wrong about loot box mechanics, and Valve’s use of a real-money marketplace alongside them makes the association to real-money gambling much easier.
At the same time, other companies without the direct marketplace are also creating gambling loops. See: Any openable with random contents of varying rarity/impact/value. EA is huge on this now (Ultimate Team modes). Trading card games (Magic: The Gathering). Even the mystery boxes of kids toys available for $2 from a vending machine are all gambling adjacent. The real money step just happens outside of their system. Selling accounts, selling Magic Cards, selling physical collectibles…
As much as I love Valve, these should all be addressed if we value keeping children safe from addictive gambling behaviors.
Unfortunately, while this would still be good, we are MUCH further beyond the pale than this already. Microtransactions without concealment are at $100+ in many games, and many people/kids lack the capacity to not spend in these. Legislation is way too far behind and needs to catch up.
ending microtransactions is something i can get behind on
not wrong eh
They are right, it absolutely is gambling.
And it absolutely a problem.
20 years later lol
Pokémon cards are gambling, too. All trading cards are, in fact.
Sue valve but not EA and the many others?
You could just make games with loot boxes M rated and absolve yourself of any wrong doing.
And yet we are completely fine with all of the major gambling sites like Draft Kings, Fan Duel, et all. There are too many to even list.
Got it, makes sense.
Sounds good but sue all of them, not just Valve.
Little late but yes
I agree, this is a good start for talking about it although I think new York will lose… Valve lawyer are rock starts in the lawyer’s community.
100% are. Go new york!
Should have been EA, the ones who started this shit in the first place. Bad look.
Wait until they find out what 2k has been doing……
How soon is Tim Sweeney going to announce that Fortnite doesn’t have loot boxes, just to spite Valve?
Took them long enough to realize that, EU realized this yearsss ago
I appreciate the sentiment, but we JUST legalized sports gambling in every state and I haven’t heard a single thing about regulating prediction markets. Why are we pretending we care about gambling problems when clearly we, as a society, don’t give a flying fuck?
To be clear, I give a fuck, I think sports gambling should be illegal.
They’re only 15 years too late lol
Ah damn, how will gaben buy his 8th yacht now??
Aren’t valve lootboxes purely cosmetic? What about games like BF2 or gacha where you gamble for actual advantages?
Loot boxes ARE gambling.
Let’s just start with that, and then we can analyze who is suing who and why.
Same with anything that gives something based on a % and that can be obtained with money.
FINALLY! Some intelligence is starting to happen in the legal system!
They are really trying to hurt valve.
California, do something about Nexon please.
And more at 7: USA lawmakers yet again nearly a decade behind other countries.
Gambling in video games has evolved far past loot boxes. But that shit don’t even matter anymore, I mean we got ppl gambling on the war Ukraine, our nation is fine with gambling. What you need to be regulating is the way games targeted at children are monetized in predatory ways that obfuscate why you need to pay money, what that money exchange rate is, and the insane cost of in game items.