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    Der Oberste Gerichtshof entscheidet, dass der Postdienst nicht verklagt werden kann, selbst wenn Post absichtlich nicht zugestellt wird


    Der Oberste Gerichtshof entscheidet, dass der Postdienst nicht verklagt werden kann, selbst wenn Post absichtlich nicht zugestellt wird

    https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-postal-service-missing-mail-7ce97a5b7d56373cdeaa6ecc9a9132f5

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    3. oldfrancis on

      Washington State they mail us our ballots. So if my ballot arrives, I know I’m good. We fill out our ballots. We do not put them in the post but in the ballot drop box.

    4. Secret_Research_7185 on

      I get confused over rulings sometimes. So is the ruling that, under „current law“, the post office can’t be sued for willfully not delivering the mail to a specific person ? So Congress could theoretically create a new law allowing for the Post office to be sued ?

      If not, what’s the fix ? For any other business behaving this way I’d think they could be sued for something like breach of contract.

      The ruling seems wrong, anyhow.

    5. realcleverscience on

      how is opening someone’s mail a federal crime but intentionally not delivering it is fine?

    6. jayfeather31 on

      I suspect that this will be significantly abused for voter suppression.

    7. ShagCarpetGuy on

      So a Republican working at a post office now has the Supreme Court’s backing to not send out mail ballots to Democratic areas, as long as it’s done intentionally.

    8. Bigweld_Ind on

      If you requested a mail-in ballot and did not receive it within a reasonable window, consider switching to early in-person voting if you your state allows it, otherwise you can still vote in person on election day. If you do get your mail-in ballot, consider dropping it off instead at a secure, official ballot box that will not require the postal service to deliver

      Do not allow a missing piece of mail dissuade you from voting. Those of us who will have trouble voting in person on a work day need to start planning now.

    9. DemandredG on

      Yep and of course it’s Thomas writing the opinion saying there’s no consequences for withholding someone’s mail for racist reasons.

    11. Next_Rip7462 on

      An obvious plot to dump your mail as well as ballots as they see fit.

      If only this also meant they would stop sending us buckets and buckets of campaign trash, but I suspect this means the only thing you will receive is what they allow you to receive. 

      Bye bye USPS, it’s been an amazing ride!

    13. 2017b2b on

      I read this on CNN too and I don’t understand the USPS position. I’ve never heard of postal workers refusing to deliver mail. It also said the USPS inspector general instructed the mail to be delivered so if its not, seems like firing people is in order. This just seems like such an odd lawsuit.

    14. insertUserNamehereno on

      Fucked around and will find out. Used to work for usps and my uncle still does. I’m asking ole boy to throw away every single mail in ballot he gets given his county is deep red county. I’m not committing any crime by asking and neither is he if he decides to listen.

    15. Guy-De-Lombard on

      Yikes. Another big L for the election process. You can kiss the mail in votes goodbye as they make their way to the landfills.

    16. CarrionWaywardOne on

      That pairs well with the switch from local office date stamp to central hub date stamping.

      Send in your ballot. It doesn’t get recorded at the central hub until after election day. You can’t sue.

    17. Iyellkhan on

      so suddenly its legal for political actors at local post offices to simply not deliver ballots to the processing centers

    19. fingertrapt on

      Supreme Court rules you have no first amendment right to petition the Government for redress of grievances. Got it.

    20. calgeorge on

      So the US government can sue private citizens, but private citizens can’t sue the US government? Got it.

    21. PurplRzr on

      Sounds like they’re gearing up for another attempt to steal/throw/rig an election.

    22. TheOneTrueTrench on

      So we DON’T have a right to petition the government for a redress of grievances?

    23. granular_quality on

      Scotus is just not acting in the interests of the people, while telegraphing election interference

    24. qdobe on

      Step 1: Steer minorities into low income neighborhoods all together

      Step 2: require an ID to vote

      Step 3: reduce voting locations in those neighborhoods

      Step 4: close DMVs near those neighborhoods and reduce operating hours for others

      Step 5: cut USPS services

      Step 6: ensure intentional lack of USPS services is not actionable

      Step 7: make it illegal to help anyone waiting in long lines to vote

      Result? A targeted demographic in a specific area has more barriers than people who live in other locations to vote. Less opportunity to obtain a valid ID than others, longer wait times to vote in person than others, no reliable way to obtain or send a ballot by mail.

      Congratulations, you’ve just disenfranchised minorities!

    25. yingyanghomie on

      Just in time for the midterms. Collaboration in the destruction of Democracy

    26. HeyyyyAbbott on

      From the article: “Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that while the protection against lawsuits is broad, it does not extend to situations when the decision not to deliver mail “was driven by malicious reasons.”

    27. Zanac36532 on

      So that I understand, malicious postal office workers can withhold your mail for years on end, ostensibly because you’re a minority and they don’t like you as such, and they’re not liable in any way for harm(s) done? Lost income? Missing medications? Titles? Oh, you say it was the conservative wing of the Court that made the decision? Well, now it makes total sense that the decision came out this way. Dumbasses.

    28. PoppaGriff on

      So this means A) there is no reliable reason to use the USPS if they can “selectively” refuse to deliver mail and B) they want to erode public trust in another government agency so they can give private companies more money.

    29. another_bot_probably on

      That’ll be another black mark for the USPS that will be thrown in its face the next time Republicans try to abolish it in favor of corporate couriers.

      „Conservatives“ continue to actively erode the trust of systems in place in order to draw attention to how untrustworthy that system has become.

      Constantly shooting the country in the foot and then campaigning on treating the sore foot. Actually its the Dems who campaign on treating the sore foot. Republicans simply campaign on continuing to shoot the nation to death.

    34. grtgingini on

      My state is 100% mail in balloting. For years now… How’s that gonna work?

    35. encrypted-signals on

      I’m in an all-mail voting state. Sounds like my ballot won’t be counted in November.

    36. Zahgi on

      > Justice Neil Gorsuch joined his three liberal colleagues in dissent.

      Which means that the swing vote here, CJ Roberts, voted to fuck over all Americans with this bullshit ruling.

      While many rulings outnumber his decision/involvement either way (anything 6:3, for example), and I have defending him in those case, THIS RULING IS ENTIRELY ON HIM, folks. At 4:4, he could have voted either way to make it 5:4.

      But he chose to side with the racist fuckers.

    37. Galliagamer on

      So the post office can just throw out all ballots without delivering them and it’s just fine?

      So…can you sue the Supreme Court for election interference? I’m pretty sure that’s a no.

    38. Tracazoid on

      Oh man, they’re totally not going to lose a whole bunch of mail in votes on purpose or anything.

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