Shouldn’t Saudi Arabia have millions of black people then?
hbhfl on
there is actually no evidence of this occurring, and thats not how empires functioned back then anyway
empires would take over africa and south america and areas like that and rule those there, and they had favorites who they would send to other areas but that was very limited
truth is those who are black in south america were already there and it was not all mexicans in south america
Substantial-Candle62 on
This is an interesting map. It shows a lot of things (number, destination).
What is not shown is how these large number of people became enslaved/caught in the first place. The European ships with their crews definitely had not the power of getting (meaning to force them) such an amount of people from the origin areas.
Let me clarify one thing: I do not play down the role of the European involvement in the Slave Trade. This happened. It was massive. Full stop.
However, I want to know the complete story.
I have to assume that their was a (for lack of words I will call it a) „logistic chain“ in which people were abducted/traded/hunted/caught.
One of the questions I (and probably a lot of others) have is the following: Was this caused by the Europeans, or did the Europeans figured out that there were already „slave markets“. So, was this already in place or did the European captains dropped a line like „If you can provide some slaves, we will buy them“?
Itchy_Bumblebee8916 on
Interesting map. I think this map undersells the scale of the trans Saharan slave trade. Atlantic was 12ish million and Saharan was 7ish million and this map makes it look like a tiny fraction not over half
Harthveurr on
One of the most authoritative and comprehensive books on this subject is „The Slave Trade: The Story of the Atlantic Slave Trade, 1440–1870“ by the renowned historian Hugh Thomas.
Thomas notes that slavery was a long-standing institution in many African societies before the arrival of the Portuguese in the 15th century:
„The institution of slavery was a traditional one in Africa… it was a recognised and integrated part of the social and economic structure of many African societies, and had been so for centuries.“
When Europeans arrived in the 15th century they literally went to the market and bought slaves.
Rameist2 on
Can’t be true, I’ve been told repeatedly that slavery started in the US with white people wrangling up Africans by force.
vladgrinch on
Unfortunately, exploiting other human beings has been a big “business“ for ages.
Toby-Finkelstein on
I always thought it was weird how we ignore the arab slave trade. Realistically they never got rid of slaves even today
djavaman on
The trans-saharan route predates the trans-atlantic route. This map is factually incorrect.
LupusDeusMagnus on
Is this the number transported or the number of that made it to the New World? It’s estimated that about 30% didn’t make it to the New World, with a substantial fraction of that being deaths during transport (the rest being mostly captivity in the coast of Africa waiting for transport).
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Shouldn’t Saudi Arabia have millions of black people then?
there is actually no evidence of this occurring, and thats not how empires functioned back then anyway
empires would take over africa and south america and areas like that and rule those there, and they had favorites who they would send to other areas but that was very limited
truth is those who are black in south america were already there and it was not all mexicans in south america
This is an interesting map. It shows a lot of things (number, destination).
What is not shown is how these large number of people became enslaved/caught in the first place. The European ships with their crews definitely had not the power of getting (meaning to force them) such an amount of people from the origin areas.
Let me clarify one thing: I do not play down the role of the European involvement in the Slave Trade. This happened. It was massive. Full stop.
However, I want to know the complete story.
I have to assume that their was a (for lack of words I will call it a) „logistic chain“ in which people were abducted/traded/hunted/caught.
One of the questions I (and probably a lot of others) have is the following: Was this caused by the Europeans, or did the Europeans figured out that there were already „slave markets“. So, was this already in place or did the European captains dropped a line like „If you can provide some slaves, we will buy them“?
Interesting map. I think this map undersells the scale of the trans Saharan slave trade. Atlantic was 12ish million and Saharan was 7ish million and this map makes it look like a tiny fraction not over half
One of the most authoritative and comprehensive books on this subject is „The Slave Trade: The Story of the Atlantic Slave Trade, 1440–1870“ by the renowned historian Hugh Thomas.
Thomas notes that slavery was a long-standing institution in many African societies before the arrival of the Portuguese in the 15th century:
„The institution of slavery was a traditional one in Africa… it was a recognised and integrated part of the social and economic structure of many African societies, and had been so for centuries.“
When Europeans arrived in the 15th century they literally went to the market and bought slaves.
Can’t be true, I’ve been told repeatedly that slavery started in the US with white people wrangling up Africans by force.
Unfortunately, exploiting other human beings has been a big “business“ for ages.
I always thought it was weird how we ignore the arab slave trade. Realistically they never got rid of slaves even today
The trans-saharan route predates the trans-atlantic route. This map is factually incorrect.
Is this the number transported or the number of that made it to the New World? It’s estimated that about 30% didn’t make it to the New World, with a substantial fraction of that being deaths during transport (the rest being mostly captivity in the coast of Africa waiting for transport).