It’s ok when other parties have crossed to the cons in the past
Perseus90 on
Weird because polievres constituents voted for him to take a hike yet he’s still here
sitcomlover1717 on
Maybe take some accountability here, Pierre.
Y3R0K on
If the CPC didn’t have such a shitty leader, Jeneroux would never have left. I doubt any of the CPC MPs would.
It certainly would not have happened under Stephen Harper’s leadership, not in the current circumstances the world finds itself in. In fact, I doubt it would happen with the previous 2 CPC leaders either.
Organic_Hamster_2961 on
Conservatives should implement the same rule about floor crossers as the NDP. If you are willing to accept betrayers you are more likely to be betrayed.
UnexpectedAnanas on
*It is the children who are wrong.*
Drewy99 on
There’s a YouTube video of when Leona Alleslev jumped ship. The sound gets drowned out by the thunderous applause by the conservative party.
FingalForever on
Floor crossing is always horrible when your party loses a member. For constituents, they get their chance at the next election.
Tories have repeatedly benefited from floorcrossers – look at the premier of Alberta, she did it.
Expensive_Plant_9530 on
Poilievre betrayed Canadians by keeping up with his fake culture war nonsense and not listening to the people.
rainman_104 on
So did David Emerson. Karma.
Falconflyer75 on
Pierre doesn’t have a leg to stand on given that the NDP tabled a bill during the Harper days to put a stop to this and he voted against it
He would gladly allow this to happen if he benefited from it
That being said as a Carney voter
Frankly I actually agree that MPs shouldn’t be allowed to essentially change the vote for the entire riding without consent from the constituents
Most people vote with the PM in mind, and changing the riding without their consent is changing their vote (I’m not saying it’s illegal because it’s allowed under the rules I’m saying it’s unethical)
Do I think the MP should be allowed to threaten a by election to keep the party leader in check? Yes
Do I think the MP should be allowed to occasionally break party lines when voting? Yes
But changing the entire party for a riding unilaterally? No that should be done through a by election just like how if an MP leaves their seat the party can’t just appoint whomever they want
noochies99 on
What an odd thing for someone with borrowed constituents to say
Wallybeaver74 on
Can anyone actually expect PP to say goodbye and wish him the best of luck? Of course he will throw a hissy and slag on him because he no longer serves a purpose for the con party.
Friendly-Olive-3465 on
I’m just gonna say, this will never change for the same reason that our election system wasn’t changed: Both main parties benefit from floor crossers. Both parties benefit from first-past the post. Each of them will make noise when it hurts them, and be silent when it helps them.
OttawaDog on
Back when conservatives welcomed floor crosser Leona Alleslev, Trudeau wished her well:
>“This is something we allow for in our system,” said Trudeau. **“I wish her well in her decision.”**
Contrast with the important differentiator that we see in the CPC. **Hypocrisy**.
The Liberals hold the same (reasonable) view, whether they benefit or lose from floor crossers. It’s part of the system.
But for Conservatives, it’s totally fine when they benefit, betrayal when they don’t. It’s the same kind of hypocrisy you seen in the US MAGA Conservatives.
Necrovore on
Imagine losing 3 MPs to your biggest rival and never considering for a second that your leadership has something to do with it
DifferentEvent2998 on
Holy fuck! A 3rd floor crosser! Something real bad is going on in the Conservative Party… perhaps a rotten sardine?
DataDude00 on
Wonder what his thoughts are on Damien Kurek
AshlandPone on
So did Damien Kurek.
chambee on
If anyone did the reverse switch he would be bragging about it. The reality is you lost 3 MPs after an election. It’s on you man.
adamlaceless on
When PP decides to respect the will of his constituents in Carleton, then he can talk lol
macnbloo on
What about jivani betraying the whole country?
MarkDavid04 on
Anyone here commenting on how Jeneroux basically lied to everyone about wanting to spend more time with his family? Maybe that’s what he thought he’d do, so that might not have been a lie… But then to cross anyway? Big fat liar, who his constituents must judge him for, despite party affiliation.
CanadianIronman on
We called it back when they did their leadership review that if PP stayed in power at least 1 conservative would cross the floor.
sapper4lyfe on
He absolutely has, when a member leaves a party like this they should be forced into a mid term election.
Ba_Dum_Ba_Dum on
Hey Pierre. He has constituents. He got them on election night. He didn’t need a by-election to get them either. Do you know where your riding is?
shouldehwouldehcould on
we vote for the person, not the party.
dude is such a whiner. if you can’t keep your party together, that’s on you. doubt this dork will ever look inward.
JCox1987 on
Regardless of your opinion on floor crossing (that’s a whole other discussion) what it does prove is that Poilievre’s leadership has been a disaster. Carney has managed to do something unusual. He’s managed to moderate his part without turning it into a Tory clone. He packaged the shift as “well we had to learn from Canadians what we did wrong by and we tried to fix it. I think some slightly right of centre conservatives of the old PC brand are probably a bit more comfortable in this liberal party more than the one that was under Trudeau. I have some misgivings on certain policies of Carney but I feel much easier about his leadership than I did Trudeau.
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Blame anyone but yourself, right Pierre?
It’s ok when other parties have crossed to the cons in the past
Weird because polievres constituents voted for him to take a hike yet he’s still here
Maybe take some accountability here, Pierre.
If the CPC didn’t have such a shitty leader, Jeneroux would never have left. I doubt any of the CPC MPs would.
It certainly would not have happened under Stephen Harper’s leadership, not in the current circumstances the world finds itself in. In fact, I doubt it would happen with the previous 2 CPC leaders either.
Conservatives should implement the same rule about floor crossers as the NDP. If you are willing to accept betrayers you are more likely to be betrayed.
*It is the children who are wrong.*
There’s a YouTube video of when Leona Alleslev jumped ship. The sound gets drowned out by the thunderous applause by the conservative party.
Floor crossing is always horrible when your party loses a member. For constituents, they get their chance at the next election.
Tories have repeatedly benefited from floorcrossers – look at the premier of Alberta, she did it.
Poilievre betrayed Canadians by keeping up with his fake culture war nonsense and not listening to the people.
So did David Emerson. Karma.
Pierre doesn’t have a leg to stand on given that the NDP tabled a bill during the Harper days to put a stop to this and he voted against it
He would gladly allow this to happen if he benefited from it
That being said as a Carney voter
Frankly I actually agree that MPs shouldn’t be allowed to essentially change the vote for the entire riding without consent from the constituents
Most people vote with the PM in mind, and changing the riding without their consent is changing their vote (I’m not saying it’s illegal because it’s allowed under the rules I’m saying it’s unethical)
Do I think the MP should be allowed to threaten a by election to keep the party leader in check? Yes
Do I think the MP should be allowed to occasionally break party lines when voting? Yes
But changing the entire party for a riding unilaterally? No that should be done through a by election just like how if an MP leaves their seat the party can’t just appoint whomever they want
What an odd thing for someone with borrowed constituents to say
Can anyone actually expect PP to say goodbye and wish him the best of luck? Of course he will throw a hissy and slag on him because he no longer serves a purpose for the con party.
I’m just gonna say, this will never change for the same reason that our election system wasn’t changed: Both main parties benefit from floor crossers. Both parties benefit from first-past the post. Each of them will make noise when it hurts them, and be silent when it helps them.
Back when conservatives welcomed floor crosser Leona Alleslev, Trudeau wished her well:
https://globalnews.ca/news/4457806/leona-alleslev-crossing-floor-conservatives/
>“This is something we allow for in our system,” said Trudeau. **“I wish her well in her decision.”**
Contrast with the important differentiator that we see in the CPC. **Hypocrisy**.
The Liberals hold the same (reasonable) view, whether they benefit or lose from floor crossers. It’s part of the system.
But for Conservatives, it’s totally fine when they benefit, betrayal when they don’t. It’s the same kind of hypocrisy you seen in the US MAGA Conservatives.
Imagine losing 3 MPs to your biggest rival and never considering for a second that your leadership has something to do with it
Holy fuck! A 3rd floor crosser! Something real bad is going on in the Conservative Party… perhaps a rotten sardine?
Wonder what his thoughts are on Damien Kurek
So did Damien Kurek.
If anyone did the reverse switch he would be bragging about it. The reality is you lost 3 MPs after an election. It’s on you man.
When PP decides to respect the will of his constituents in Carleton, then he can talk lol
What about jivani betraying the whole country?
Anyone here commenting on how Jeneroux basically lied to everyone about wanting to spend more time with his family? Maybe that’s what he thought he’d do, so that might not have been a lie… But then to cross anyway? Big fat liar, who his constituents must judge him for, despite party affiliation.
We called it back when they did their leadership review that if PP stayed in power at least 1 conservative would cross the floor.
He absolutely has, when a member leaves a party like this they should be forced into a mid term election.
Hey Pierre. He has constituents. He got them on election night. He didn’t need a by-election to get them either. Do you know where your riding is?
we vote for the person, not the party.
dude is such a whiner. if you can’t keep your party together, that’s on you. doubt this dork will ever look inward.
Regardless of your opinion on floor crossing (that’s a whole other discussion) what it does prove is that Poilievre’s leadership has been a disaster. Carney has managed to do something unusual. He’s managed to moderate his part without turning it into a Tory clone. He packaged the shift as “well we had to learn from Canadians what we did wrong by and we tried to fix it. I think some slightly right of centre conservatives of the old PC brand are probably a bit more comfortable in this liberal party more than the one that was under Trudeau. I have some misgivings on certain policies of Carney but I feel much easier about his leadership than I did Trudeau.