I feel like *everyone* has been screaming for affordable EVs, not luxury EVs, for years upon years now. But I guess if you’re a CEO the lives of mere mortals would be a total surprise.
Bmaj13 on
An example of the tragedy of the commons playing out in our lifetime. The state has a role to play to incentivize citizen action that improves the environment we all share (and which future generations will inherit). Grants for EV and other cleaner technologies need to comes back.
randomtask on
Uh, no? US automakers are getting creamed because the federal government withdrew the EV tax credit without any warning, and fewer “customers” are “speaking” because they have less “money” to spend on unsubsidized electric vehicles. This isn’t the customer speaking alone, it’s a policy issue that contracted their buying power.
ubdumass on
How about you build EV for the masses, as opposed to F-150 Lightening that can’t tow shit?
Ford could have put that money into good use, but instead ran the same playbook quarter after quarter, much like Patriots in SB LX.
CurrentSkill7766 on
Yeah – Ford is mediocre at designing vehicles people want. The F150 has saved their ass for 20 years.
x86_64_ on
„People wanted affordable passenger EVs so we made a $90,000 pickup truck and nobody’s opening their wallets, what gives?“
barf_the_mog on
The customer has spoken… ford is in decline for misaligning its business objectives.
andymfjAZ on
He’s surprised that not everyone is buying $100,000 trucks?? He’s missed a few meetings.
agha0013 on
Hey look, an American auto executive pretending like they haven’t spent decades guiding consumer choices so they could sell very high margin trucks and SUVs to people in cities who don’t need those monsters.
There’s no other place on earth where trucks and SUVs dominate the roads just to crawl around urban parking lots and worsen gridlock. Just about everywhere else reserves trucks as company equipment, construction and service vehicles.
And when these monsters kept getting more expensive they just created worse and worse debt products to keep people buying…. This shit needs to endm american cities are chocked with large high emission vehicles people don’t need. Transit systems are suffering from under funding, roads are packed full, everyone is in debt, and this guy wants you to buy a six figure pick up….
People want good EVs at affordable prices with fast charging options. They made the Ford Lightning truck that was way too expensive. He doesn’t know how to read the room.
Gibraldi on
This coming from the CEO that drove the Xiaomi SU7 for 6+ months and didn’t want to give it back.
lastdarknight on
How about we go back to non-luxury rangers, and make a 20k electric ranger
ShiftyUsmc on
Hey I’d probably buy a bronco too if it wasn’t 80,000 you idiots
eliota1 on
Oh wow. You mean the consumer who wants a car they can afford? You haven’t listened to the consumer for 40 years. People want inexpensive cars that are safe and don’t need a lot of repairs. Ford and GM don’t even make regular passenger cars anymore, they make SUVs and light trucks for people who don’t really need them.
ComputerAbuser on
Meanwhile, sales of EVs overtook petrol cars in the EU last December.
Neutral-President on
Where is Ford’s sub-$30k EV?
Few people can afford an F-150 Lightning or Mach-e.
PizzaWall on
I wanted an electric pick-up. I wanted something I could use to tow my RV trailer. The drive train is simple, less parts, it should run reliably for years. What Ford offered had terrible range and extremely high prices.
They tried to sell it as a power source during blackouts. It was a $100,000 feature trying to replace a $2,000 generator. They neglected to mention once you drain your Ford, your house loses power and you have no way to recharge the truck.
CobraPony67 on
Just make a regular car an EV. Don’t slap screens everywhere. Just one to monitor the battery level. People want a simple car without a learning curve.
Soy_sauce70 on
100$ off the special undercoating..
weirdoldhobo1978 on
EV sales out paced EV infrastructure, of course it was going to plateau. It’s also killing EV’s resale value.
stinkybumbum on
The CEO did not listen more like. Same old story if Ford actually made good cars people would buy them
ftwin on
I mean the 7500 rebate was a massive part if their appeal whether you like to admit it or not
Anaxamenes on
They never even bothered making the affordable F-150 lightning that they said they would make.
UCBearcats on
Interesting because the Mach E is an amazing car.
trustmeep on
„Let’s build vehicles that cost a fortune, have limited utility, and get poor mileage…clearly, the customer is wrong. No one wants a daily commuter that costs less than $40k.“
Anim8nFool on
Automakers are in the business of providing cars in order to sell parts. EVs require less maintenance and have fewer moving parts so they don’t want to sell them. They cannot imagine changing their paradigm.
SomeSamples on
Fuck Ford. They have been riding on the back of the F150 for 10 years now. When all those folks who drive them are out of work and can no longer pay $1000/mo for them they will go find cheap cars and who ever is making a cheap car will be on top.
kontor97 on
We’re talking about the same company that said it was cheaper to pay out settlements than it was to fix their cars
ebfortin on
Maybe the conclusion is not the right one. It’s not that they don’t want EVs. It’s that they don’t want crappy EVs.
NecroJoe on
Fun fact, the mach-E mustang ev outsells the gas powered coupe mustang 2:1.
Adventurous_Light_85 on
Trump removed all support for EVs
Lendyman on
Dumb bunny! We want AFFORDABLE CARS!
DenverNugs on
Terrible business decisions have spoken
Plantron1 on
At the same time they whine about Canada allowing 49,000 EVs from China. If people don’t want EVs what are they worried about ?
livestrong2109 on
Ohh totally, we don’t want or need $90k American EVs. So let China sell their $25,000 – 30,000 ones already and let Detroit rot.
NarbsNZ on
Or, hear me out….
Your EV offerings are expensive and shit.
In NZ the main EV uptakes have been European and Chinese cars and they’re doing well.
Fortunately we don’t get limited to American dross..
pollardandsprout on
Had they made the Maverick as an electric in-town work vehicle they wouldn’t be able to make enough.
yer10plyjonesy on
1) ban markup 2) make an affordable EV. The Mach E is a great vehicle but having that as your entry level is crazy.
DrB00 on
What do you mean people don’t want to spend $100,000 on an EV truck that has terrible distance rating, low torque so it can’t tow stuff and a tiny truck bed?
RhoOfFeh on
And they said „Teslas are better“.
alanbdee on
We just don’t have the batteries for an EV truck. The sales for the Mach-E have been fine. The EV has to make sense and it doesn’t yet make sense in a truck that has to haul a big trailer for a weekend getaway.
OrganicDoom2225 on
Translation. We can’t compete with China and engorge our majority shareholders at the same time.
ValveinPistonCat on
*“Make unaffordable cars that nobody wants to drive.“* – Jim Farley quoting Lee Iacocca.
This dumb motherfucker’s also on the board of Harley Davidson and McD’s, no wonder they’re doing so well.
It’s amazing that these C-suite executives can make an entire career of failing upwards and make more money than anyone could ever need, meanwhile us lowly commoners are busting our asses to barely scrape by.
BigBlackHungGuy on
*opens article.
CTRL-F „affordable“
No matches.
I think I see the problem.
MathematicianAfter57 on
Yeah the customers want cheap EVs from China, also not to pay 60k for a car
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Wasn’t that mostly R&D expense?
I feel like *everyone* has been screaming for affordable EVs, not luxury EVs, for years upon years now. But I guess if you’re a CEO the lives of mere mortals would be a total surprise.
An example of the tragedy of the commons playing out in our lifetime. The state has a role to play to incentivize citizen action that improves the environment we all share (and which future generations will inherit). Grants for EV and other cleaner technologies need to comes back.
Uh, no? US automakers are getting creamed because the federal government withdrew the EV tax credit without any warning, and fewer “customers” are “speaking” because they have less “money” to spend on unsubsidized electric vehicles. This isn’t the customer speaking alone, it’s a policy issue that contracted their buying power.
How about you build EV for the masses, as opposed to F-150 Lightening that can’t tow shit?
Ford could have put that money into good use, but instead ran the same playbook quarter after quarter, much like Patriots in SB LX.
Yeah – Ford is mediocre at designing vehicles people want. The F150 has saved their ass for 20 years.
„People wanted affordable passenger EVs so we made a $90,000 pickup truck and nobody’s opening their wallets, what gives?“
The customer has spoken… ford is in decline for misaligning its business objectives.
He’s surprised that not everyone is buying $100,000 trucks?? He’s missed a few meetings.
Hey look, an American auto executive pretending like they haven’t spent decades guiding consumer choices so they could sell very high margin trucks and SUVs to people in cities who don’t need those monsters.
There’s no other place on earth where trucks and SUVs dominate the roads just to crawl around urban parking lots and worsen gridlock. Just about everywhere else reserves trucks as company equipment, construction and service vehicles.
And when these monsters kept getting more expensive they just created worse and worse debt products to keep people buying…. This shit needs to endm american cities are chocked with large high emission vehicles people don’t need. Transit systems are suffering from under funding, roads are packed full, everyone is in debt, and this guy wants you to buy a six figure pick up….
Also Jim Farley:
> „I don’t like talking about the competition so much, but I drive a Xiaomi,“ he said. „We flew one from Shanghai to Chicago, and I’ve been driving it for six months now, and I don’t want to give it up.“ — [Road & Track](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62705480/ford-ceo-jim-farley-praises-xiaomi-su7-chinese-electric-car/)
People want good EVs at affordable prices with fast charging options. They made the Ford Lightning truck that was way too expensive. He doesn’t know how to read the room.
This coming from the CEO that drove the Xiaomi SU7 for 6+ months and didn’t want to give it back.
How about we go back to non-luxury rangers, and make a 20k electric ranger
Hey I’d probably buy a bronco too if it wasn’t 80,000 you idiots
Oh wow. You mean the consumer who wants a car they can afford? You haven’t listened to the consumer for 40 years. People want inexpensive cars that are safe and don’t need a lot of repairs. Ford and GM don’t even make regular passenger cars anymore, they make SUVs and light trucks for people who don’t really need them.
Meanwhile, sales of EVs overtook petrol cars in the EU last December.
Where is Ford’s sub-$30k EV?
Few people can afford an F-150 Lightning or Mach-e.
I wanted an electric pick-up. I wanted something I could use to tow my RV trailer. The drive train is simple, less parts, it should run reliably for years. What Ford offered had terrible range and extremely high prices.
They tried to sell it as a power source during blackouts. It was a $100,000 feature trying to replace a $2,000 generator. They neglected to mention once you drain your Ford, your house loses power and you have no way to recharge the truck.
Just make a regular car an EV. Don’t slap screens everywhere. Just one to monitor the battery level. People want a simple car without a learning curve.
100$ off the special undercoating..
EV sales out paced EV infrastructure, of course it was going to plateau. It’s also killing EV’s resale value.
The CEO did not listen more like. Same old story if Ford actually made good cars people would buy them
I mean the 7500 rebate was a massive part if their appeal whether you like to admit it or not
They never even bothered making the affordable F-150 lightning that they said they would make.
Interesting because the Mach E is an amazing car.
„Let’s build vehicles that cost a fortune, have limited utility, and get poor mileage…clearly, the customer is wrong. No one wants a daily commuter that costs less than $40k.“
Automakers are in the business of providing cars in order to sell parts. EVs require less maintenance and have fewer moving parts so they don’t want to sell them. They cannot imagine changing their paradigm.
Fuck Ford. They have been riding on the back of the F150 for 10 years now. When all those folks who drive them are out of work and can no longer pay $1000/mo for them they will go find cheap cars and who ever is making a cheap car will be on top.
We’re talking about the same company that said it was cheaper to pay out settlements than it was to fix their cars
Maybe the conclusion is not the right one. It’s not that they don’t want EVs. It’s that they don’t want crappy EVs.
Fun fact, the mach-E mustang ev outsells the gas powered coupe mustang 2:1.
Trump removed all support for EVs
Dumb bunny! We want AFFORDABLE CARS!
Terrible business decisions have spoken
At the same time they whine about Canada allowing 49,000 EVs from China. If people don’t want EVs what are they worried about ?
Ohh totally, we don’t want or need $90k American EVs. So let China sell their $25,000 – 30,000 ones already and let Detroit rot.
Or, hear me out….
Your EV offerings are expensive and shit.
In NZ the main EV uptakes have been European and Chinese cars and they’re doing well.
Fortunately we don’t get limited to American dross..
Had they made the Maverick as an electric in-town work vehicle they wouldn’t be able to make enough.
1) ban markup 2) make an affordable EV. The Mach E is a great vehicle but having that as your entry level is crazy.
What do you mean people don’t want to spend $100,000 on an EV truck that has terrible distance rating, low torque so it can’t tow stuff and a tiny truck bed?
And they said „Teslas are better“.
We just don’t have the batteries for an EV truck. The sales for the Mach-E have been fine. The EV has to make sense and it doesn’t yet make sense in a truck that has to haul a big trailer for a weekend getaway.
Translation. We can’t compete with China and engorge our majority shareholders at the same time.
*“Make unaffordable cars that nobody wants to drive.“* – Jim Farley quoting Lee Iacocca.
This dumb motherfucker’s also on the board of Harley Davidson and McD’s, no wonder they’re doing so well.
It’s amazing that these C-suite executives can make an entire career of failing upwards and make more money than anyone could ever need, meanwhile us lowly commoners are busting our asses to barely scrape by.
*opens article.
CTRL-F „affordable“
No matches.
I think I see the problem.
Yeah the customers want cheap EVs from China, also not to pay 60k for a car