The entirety of the article…
>Of the many questions posed by those gathered in U.S. District Judge Richard Leon’s courtroom last week, the most obvious one of all never came up: Why on earth was anyone here in the first place?
>Until now, the military has pursued only a tiny number of criminal cases against retirees for actions that occur after military service has ended. Until now, the idea that the secretary of defense would accuse a lawmaker of treason simply for disagreeing with him would be laughable. Until now, any free-speech debates concerning sitting members of Congress have led to the conclusion that lawmakers ought to have—to borrow from former Chief Justice Earl Warren—the widest possible latitude to express themselves.
>And yet there we all were anyway, gathered to see Mark Kelly—the fighter pilot turned astronaut turned U.S. senator—defend his First Amendment rights against an attempt by the Pentagon chief, Pete Hegseth, to silence him and knock down his military retirement rank and pay.
Positive-Room7421 on
With everything going on, I had completely forgotten about this. And it’s a big deal!
ilevelconcrete on
Wow, I can’t believe that the U.S. military, an institution that has murdered millions of innocent civilians over the years in pursuit of private profit, is acting immorally. Who’d have thunk?
monkeywithgun on
>And yet there we all were anyway, gathered to see Mark Kelly—the fighter pilot turned astronaut turned U.S. senator—defend his First Amendment rights against an attempt by the Pentagon chief, Pete Hegseth, to silence him and knock down his military retirement rank and pay.
Pete Hegseth; an alcoholic washed up Fox News personality pretending to be a tough guy. What a messed up reality.
realancepts4real on
the Atlantic is crappier – much crappier – than it seems.
ddr1ver on
Kelley paraphrased the US Manual for Courts-Martial, which states that military requirements to obey orders do not apply “to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime”. I’m curious how the military can punish someone for quoting their manual.
Cyanopicacooki on
I’ll bet he says that to all the girls…
Even if he wins though, someone else will be targetted with Trumped up shite, and again, and again, until one judge lets evil triumph and precedent is set. When you’re up against the state, no matter how right you are, they will win. And they will get support. And we all lose.
jp_in_nj on
I dunno, it seems pretty fucking big to me already.
TheBatemanFlex on
I’m not sure about bigger than it seems, but it gets lost in the consistent and relatively large scandals uncovered weekly.
Animal907 on
Maga is trying to end pensions for veterans.
bhputnam on
Hope Kelly takes this all the way to the White House in 2028, tbh
snowbirdnerd on
Next president?
dayglowe on
I hope that Mark Kelly becomes Secretary of DEFENCE in a future administration and spends four years hauling Kegsbreath from one court case to another, non-stop, including a similar stripping of any rank he holds (he has something from his days in the army, right?) and then a complete and utter court martialing.
Ok-disaster2022 on
Senator quoting from US military manual gets his retirement demoted, but vet storming the capital to overthrow the US government gets millions for her family.
Seagoon_Memoirs on
this could be a „Have you no decency sir “ moment
>In the spring of 1954, McCarthy picked a fight with the U.S. Army, charging lax security at a top-secret army facility. The army responded that the senator had sought preferential treatment for a recently drafted subcommittee aide. Amidst this controversy, McCarthy temporarily stepped down as chairman for the duration of the three-month nationally televised spectacle known to history as the Army-McCarthy hearings.
>The army hired Boston lawyer Joseph Welch to make its case. At a session on June 9, 1954, McCarthy charged that one of Welch’s attorneys had ties to a Communist organization. As an amazed television audience looked on, Welch responded with the immortal lines that ultimately ended McCarthy’s career: „Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.“ When McCarthy tried to continue his attack, Welch angrily interrupted, „Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?“
Trump must love losing in court. He does it so often.
PresentAwareness745 on
the actual video and what he actually said should get the case dismissed… but we live in their world now apparently
BlokeInTheMountains on
> “They don’t care what the courts say, because they’re going to depict them as liberal, woke courts,” he said. (Judge Leon was appointed by George W. Bush.)
discreet1 on
All of these stories are fucking huge. They’re drowning each other out.
FrecklesNICE on
Paywall S U C K S
Sweethomebflo on
This source is compromised and unreliable: the Atlantic. All up in that Epstein business
Ok_Lettuce_7939 on
I’m here for eventually revenge against Kegstand for him to get busted down to CPT for writing his dumbass book.
ma-sadieJ on
The Kelly case is meant to shut up anyone who was in or who was a part of the military, who may speak out against the administration. They did the same thing to colleges and news stations.
I’m sure the owner of the Atlantic would like this case to have as much attention as possible after photos of her lounging on Epstein’s island dropped.
SZD1234 on
It’s over America, been great, hope you enjoyed it!! Please dont leave your boundaries until one side or the other has won. We need a bit of time to arm ourselves! Better luck next time
tristan-mango on
Article 2 we need to demand it – throw Trump and his cabinet out
bigwavedave000 on
Kelly for President.
shak1071 on
Putin is Daily drunk since Fall ’24
itsagoodtime on
Trump never served a burger let alone served his country.
Inevitable-Dirt3375 on
Nobody cares. Abolish ICE and Medicare for all.
otisreddingsst on
I suspect that mark Kelly should be secretary of defense
ljfrench on
Oh, I see you people are still arguing with this like it’s normal for a Fox News host to de-rank a combat vet over the vet citing the rules.
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The entirety of the article…
>Of the many questions posed by those gathered in U.S. District Judge Richard Leon’s courtroom last week, the most obvious one of all never came up: Why on earth was anyone here in the first place?
>Until now, the military has pursued only a tiny number of criminal cases against retirees for actions that occur after military service has ended. Until now, the idea that the secretary of defense would accuse a lawmaker of treason simply for disagreeing with him would be laughable. Until now, any free-speech debates concerning sitting members of Congress have led to the conclusion that lawmakers ought to have—to borrow from former Chief Justice Earl Warren—the widest possible latitude to express themselves.
>And yet there we all were anyway, gathered to see Mark Kelly—the fighter pilot turned astronaut turned U.S. senator—defend his First Amendment rights against an attempt by the Pentagon chief, Pete Hegseth, to silence him and knock down his military retirement rank and pay.
With everything going on, I had completely forgotten about this. And it’s a big deal!
Wow, I can’t believe that the U.S. military, an institution that has murdered millions of innocent civilians over the years in pursuit of private profit, is acting immorally. Who’d have thunk?
>And yet there we all were anyway, gathered to see Mark Kelly—the fighter pilot turned astronaut turned U.S. senator—defend his First Amendment rights against an attempt by the Pentagon chief, Pete Hegseth, to silence him and knock down his military retirement rank and pay.
Pete Hegseth; an alcoholic washed up Fox News personality pretending to be a tough guy. What a messed up reality.
the Atlantic is crappier – much crappier – than it seems.
Kelley paraphrased the US Manual for Courts-Martial, which states that military requirements to obey orders do not apply “to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime”. I’m curious how the military can punish someone for quoting their manual.
I’ll bet he says that to all the girls…
Even if he wins though, someone else will be targetted with Trumped up shite, and again, and again, until one judge lets evil triumph and precedent is set. When you’re up against the state, no matter how right you are, they will win. And they will get support. And we all lose.
I dunno, it seems pretty fucking big to me already.
I’m not sure about bigger than it seems, but it gets lost in the consistent and relatively large scandals uncovered weekly.
Maga is trying to end pensions for veterans.
Hope Kelly takes this all the way to the White House in 2028, tbh
Next president?
I hope that Mark Kelly becomes Secretary of DEFENCE in a future administration and spends four years hauling Kegsbreath from one court case to another, non-stop, including a similar stripping of any rank he holds (he has something from his days in the army, right?) and then a complete and utter court martialing.
Senator quoting from US military manual gets his retirement demoted, but vet storming the capital to overthrow the US government gets millions for her family.
this could be a „Have you no decency sir “ moment
>In the spring of 1954, McCarthy picked a fight with the U.S. Army, charging lax security at a top-secret army facility. The army responded that the senator had sought preferential treatment for a recently drafted subcommittee aide. Amidst this controversy, McCarthy temporarily stepped down as chairman for the duration of the three-month nationally televised spectacle known to history as the Army-McCarthy hearings.
>The army hired Boston lawyer Joseph Welch to make its case. At a session on June 9, 1954, McCarthy charged that one of Welch’s attorneys had ties to a Communist organization. As an amazed television audience looked on, Welch responded with the immortal lines that ultimately ended McCarthy’s career: „Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.“ When McCarthy tried to continue his attack, Welch angrily interrupted, „Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?“
[https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/investigations/mccarthy-hearings/have-you-no-sense-of-decency.htm](https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/investigations/mccarthy-hearings/have-you-no-sense-of-decency.htm)
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Trump must love losing in court. He does it so often.
the actual video and what he actually said should get the case dismissed… but we live in their world now apparently
> “They don’t care what the courts say, because they’re going to depict them as liberal, woke courts,” he said. (Judge Leon was appointed by George W. Bush.)
All of these stories are fucking huge. They’re drowning each other out.
Paywall S U C K S
This source is compromised and unreliable: the Atlantic. All up in that Epstein business
I’m here for eventually revenge against Kegstand for him to get busted down to CPT for writing his dumbass book.
The Kelly case is meant to shut up anyone who was in or who was a part of the military, who may speak out against the administration. They did the same thing to colleges and news stations.
Here’s a [gift link](https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/02/pete-hegseth-mark-kelly-court/685911/?gift=Meso10F9u9J3r8KAg7WwheO8UMFjPAGWpR1n6GbktJI&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share).
I’m a retired military officer and the prospect of the Pentagon curtailing my free speech is chilling.
https://archive.ph/vNj7k
You can donate to Mark Kelly’s legal defense. Even $5 goes to a worthy cause.
YSK: The Atlantic supports pedophilia and pedophiles. https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/s/WHsDbJ4sQE
I’m sure the owner of the Atlantic would like this case to have as much attention as possible after photos of her lounging on Epstein’s island dropped.
It’s over America, been great, hope you enjoyed it!! Please dont leave your boundaries until one side or the other has won. We need a bit of time to arm ourselves! Better luck next time
Article 2 we need to demand it – throw Trump and his cabinet out
Kelly for President.
Putin is Daily drunk since Fall ’24
Trump never served a burger let alone served his country.
Nobody cares. Abolish ICE and Medicare for all.
I suspect that mark Kelly should be secretary of defense
Oh, I see you people are still arguing with this like it’s normal for a Fox News host to de-rank a combat vet over the vet citing the rules.