I get Carney considering it but he can’t be the one to call it. People could end up annoyed at having another election. Last time we had a fire lit under our asses, this time people might be too lazy to go out and vote.
bigjimbay on
Couple questions here. Why are Carney and Ford working together on this? How do the Ontario conservatives benefit from a federal election?
Why is Carney considering calling an election in the first place? It’s a ridiculous idea, we just had one. This would be a blatant power grab and voters would make the LPC suffer for it in all likelihood. A pointless election just to have the CPC and LPC both lose a seat or two to the NDP would be a waste of everyone’s time and taxpayer money. I don’t think it will happen.
Fifty-Mission-Cap_ on
This could backfire the same way Trudeau’s snap election call did, where he thought he’d comfortably be handed a majority and ended up with a minority again.
I’m happy with a Liberal minority right now. After a decade of track record I still don’t trust them with a majority and think this is the best way for parties to have to work together.
KvotheG on
The LPC shouldn’t call a federal election….right away.
The LPC being in majority territory in the polls allows them to be bolder on policy. The opposition parties would be more willing to cooperate and support Liberal legislation because they don’t want to reward the LPC with a majority government. They are also not in a position to demand concessions, so the LPC can give little to none.
I think they should try to work with the current situation in parliament. Push bold policy and test the limits of the opposition parties. Work with all of them depending on the issue without having to rely solely on the NDP. Eventually, you’ll find a policy that is popular with Canadians but keeps getting shut down.
When that happens, Carney should make a case to Canadians that they are trying push this popular policy, but the other parties keep shutting it down. Which is why he’s calling an election to let Canadians decide what they want. Then make that the ballot box question.
Any other scenario welcomes accusations of trying to secure a majority, and it may piss off Canadians who don’t want an election right now. It may not yield the results the Liberals want. But the former scenario, the election is justified
hardk7 on
Obviously looking at polling it’s easy to think of we had an election right now we’d get our majority. But there’s little justification to convince the public it’s necessary. They win less than a year ago. Nothing has changed dramatically enough that they could make the case they need a new mandate. The CPC hasn’t yet made it clear that this parliament is non-functional. So the conditions don’t exist for the LPC to call an election and not have it look totally self-serving. They are in a strong enough position politically that they can conduct themselves in the House in a such a way that dares the opposition to defeat them, and likely be able to pass their agenda as a result. With that said, those parliamentary dynamics should emerge soon because they need to pass budget implementation and their crime bill and the grocery relief package.
Adorable_Octopus on
I’m not sure why so many people here think Carney won’t call an early election. The current highs in polling are undoubtedly tempting, and arguably calling an election now, before the NDP get a chance to select a leader, seems like a sound strategy. If you look at the polling, the one consistent aspect of it is that the CPC hasn’t really lost all that much ground, if any, since the election, and most of the LPC’s gains appear to be at the expense of the NDP. If the NDP chose a new leader and that leader starts to establish themselves, politically, the LPC will probably see their left leaning flank start to split and the possibility of a majority will slip away.
It’s possible that Carney thought he could get a majority through floor crossings, and perhaps that could still happen despite being not particularly favored by Canadians, but considering that since that has started, the LPCs have lost two seats to members resigning, they’re quite literally no closer to a majority than they were before November of last year.
Majorities are not simply about passing bills in the House, it’s also about things like the composition of committees. Even if Carney makes every bill a confidence vote, the opposition can still frustrate the government in other ways.
Reasonable-Rock6255 on
Can someone tell me why Ford wouldn’t want a federal conservative majority? What doesn’t he like about Conservative Party?
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I get Carney considering it but he can’t be the one to call it. People could end up annoyed at having another election. Last time we had a fire lit under our asses, this time people might be too lazy to go out and vote.
Couple questions here. Why are Carney and Ford working together on this? How do the Ontario conservatives benefit from a federal election?
Why is Carney considering calling an election in the first place? It’s a ridiculous idea, we just had one. This would be a blatant power grab and voters would make the LPC suffer for it in all likelihood. A pointless election just to have the CPC and LPC both lose a seat or two to the NDP would be a waste of everyone’s time and taxpayer money. I don’t think it will happen.
This could backfire the same way Trudeau’s snap election call did, where he thought he’d comfortably be handed a majority and ended up with a minority again.
I’m happy with a Liberal minority right now. After a decade of track record I still don’t trust them with a majority and think this is the best way for parties to have to work together.
The LPC shouldn’t call a federal election….right away.
The LPC being in majority territory in the polls allows them to be bolder on policy. The opposition parties would be more willing to cooperate and support Liberal legislation because they don’t want to reward the LPC with a majority government. They are also not in a position to demand concessions, so the LPC can give little to none.
I think they should try to work with the current situation in parliament. Push bold policy and test the limits of the opposition parties. Work with all of them depending on the issue without having to rely solely on the NDP. Eventually, you’ll find a policy that is popular with Canadians but keeps getting shut down.
When that happens, Carney should make a case to Canadians that they are trying push this popular policy, but the other parties keep shutting it down. Which is why he’s calling an election to let Canadians decide what they want. Then make that the ballot box question.
Any other scenario welcomes accusations of trying to secure a majority, and it may piss off Canadians who don’t want an election right now. It may not yield the results the Liberals want. But the former scenario, the election is justified
Obviously looking at polling it’s easy to think of we had an election right now we’d get our majority. But there’s little justification to convince the public it’s necessary. They win less than a year ago. Nothing has changed dramatically enough that they could make the case they need a new mandate. The CPC hasn’t yet made it clear that this parliament is non-functional. So the conditions don’t exist for the LPC to call an election and not have it look totally self-serving. They are in a strong enough position politically that they can conduct themselves in the House in a such a way that dares the opposition to defeat them, and likely be able to pass their agenda as a result. With that said, those parliamentary dynamics should emerge soon because they need to pass budget implementation and their crime bill and the grocery relief package.
I’m not sure why so many people here think Carney won’t call an early election. The current highs in polling are undoubtedly tempting, and arguably calling an election now, before the NDP get a chance to select a leader, seems like a sound strategy. If you look at the polling, the one consistent aspect of it is that the CPC hasn’t really lost all that much ground, if any, since the election, and most of the LPC’s gains appear to be at the expense of the NDP. If the NDP chose a new leader and that leader starts to establish themselves, politically, the LPC will probably see their left leaning flank start to split and the possibility of a majority will slip away.
It’s possible that Carney thought he could get a majority through floor crossings, and perhaps that could still happen despite being not particularly favored by Canadians, but considering that since that has started, the LPCs have lost two seats to members resigning, they’re quite literally no closer to a majority than they were before November of last year.
Majorities are not simply about passing bills in the House, it’s also about things like the composition of committees. Even if Carney makes every bill a confidence vote, the opposition can still frustrate the government in other ways.
Can someone tell me why Ford wouldn’t want a federal conservative majority? What doesn’t he like about Conservative Party?