Boy, I wonder how the government could save millions to billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars.
Surely the only way is to fire public servants instead of just offloading employment costs by letting them work from home, buy their own office supplies, purchase their own Internet and electricity, and pay their own rent.
Because everyone knows it’s physically impossible to get work done remotely. We have to force them into bedbug, rat and bat ridden offices so they can do the exact same work at home, from an office!
And if you’re the only one on your team at that office, who cares! Get your butt into my office anyways, because everyone knows it’s not about Productivity, it’s about Control and propping up Billionare Landlords!
green_tory on
This is good for REITs, downtown retailers and restaurants, and landlords. This is terrible for employee well-being, in terms of both health and happiness, and for roadway utilization. As an investor, REITs and private paramedical would be decent picks here; commuting is correlated with health problems, and that will drive employees to avail themselves of their extended health benefits. The REIT angle should be obvious.
On the other hand, housing values in satellite/remote communities may decline, as will demand for local retail and restaurants; as those impacted by RTO seek to avoid long commutes by moving closer to work.
Keep dumping any stock related to childcare and child-related products. Keeping adults out of their home for nine to ten hours a day is *hostile* to having a family.
I hope you can understand my absence of enthusiasm for this.
porterbot on
These return to office orders from private industry and government and anyone, are death to the environment and represent a real hardship for working parents and caregivers. I wonder how much the legal costs and time will cost taxpayers. You will enjoy your unnecessary expenses taxpayers , and you will like it. More waste . Duplication and waste. Nobody needs to work like it’s 1991. Has our current administration looked at a calendar lately? It says 2026. They are spending billions on technology to make work more accessible. And now doubling costs to get people in offices and desks.
UnderWatered on
What a stupid policy. Owning hundreds of thousands of square feet of expensive office space and forcing workers to come in who will — wait for it — be sitting in Zoom or Teams meetings all day.
Not to mention these policies are typically designed by older men at the top, who lead departments and don’t have to care for children.
Vykalen on
Stupidest fucking policy that is very clearly just designed to try to harm workers. If hybrid work is so bad it needs to end, how does reducing it by one day do anything? Fuck me I feel like I’m on crazy pills with how stupid this regression is.
callmecrude on
Ottawa rent about to skyrocket..
One of the many benefits of remote work was the ability of both public and private sector jobs to grow basically infinitely without driving up housing costs in downtown cores. It opened up the hiring process to a much wider and more qualified set of candidates beyond just the people who are willing to live near or commute to the office.
Charizard3535 on
I like Carney but people who refuse to criticize him at all are being too partisan. The man has a $10 mil stake in Brookfield, the largest office space holder in Canada with millions of sqft. Pretty obvious he would turn up the RTO pressure.
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Downsizing the public service and then using that savings to buy more office space is a direct wealth transfer from workers to landlords
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retrool on
Carney’s shown himself pretty adept on picking policies that are winners lately, that can been good publicly policy but also generally popular – I don’t think this one is it.
Yes some businesses are pushing it, because it’s an easy way to drive attrition and discipline the workforce a bit, for others because they are leveraged into commercial real estate.
Obviously Sutcliffe in Ottawa is pushing it because he has no real vision for his downtown other than office workers buying lunch, and Ford is pushing it for REITs etc who donate to him.
I’m guessing for Carney it’s a mix of pressure from these groups mixed with maybe an old-school view of the workplace and potentially a leverage point in union negotiations. Politically, I don’t think this is something to spend capital on especially as an Ottawa area MP, for whom public service voters had a role in unseating his opponent. It seems a bit of a nasty reward. I don’t think it will cause a ton of damage or anything but it feels like the wrong step to me. He should have kicked this can down the road or kept the existing policy, then sell some buildings and put the proceeds into capital projects in Ottawa.
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simpatia on
Bad policy that should be seen as a direct attack on caregivers. This is like downgrading your phone’s OS after having all the benefits of a new and improved version.
Carney is showing his true colours. The poll numbers will dip eventually. When he next needs votes, the public servants won’t be there for him. Same thing with Doug Ford.
SmugWig on
They are looking to shrink the federal workforce. This is a good way to do that. Do I agree? No I like working from home but this will definitely lead to ppl looking for work elsewhere
flamedeluge3781 on
My experience in working with government workers isn’t great. For every person who works hard there’s about two deadweights who just want a cheque for showing up.
I don’t think unionized workers and work from home are compatible. Work from home requires accountability, and unions in Canada find actively fight against accountability. The only reasonable way to manage it would be to have spyware installed on employees computers to verify that they are actually working. That’s way more dystopian than having them return to the office where they can be supervised in person.
Hotrob_McAwesometon on
„Better to save 3 billion dollars on employees who do work instead of saving 6 billion dollars on buildings which do nothing“ – someone who is very intelligent.
beardum on
Pretty sure this is part of the plan to reduce the size of the public service. The only people that will be mad about it are public servants.
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Boy, I wonder how the government could save millions to billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars.
Surely the only way is to fire public servants instead of just offloading employment costs by letting them work from home, buy their own office supplies, purchase their own Internet and electricity, and pay their own rent.
Because everyone knows it’s physically impossible to get work done remotely. We have to force them into bedbug, rat and bat ridden offices so they can do the exact same work at home, from an office!
And if you’re the only one on your team at that office, who cares! Get your butt into my office anyways, because everyone knows it’s not about Productivity, it’s about Control and propping up Billionare Landlords!
This is good for REITs, downtown retailers and restaurants, and landlords. This is terrible for employee well-being, in terms of both health and happiness, and for roadway utilization. As an investor, REITs and private paramedical would be decent picks here; commuting is correlated with health problems, and that will drive employees to avail themselves of their extended health benefits. The REIT angle should be obvious.
On the other hand, housing values in satellite/remote communities may decline, as will demand for local retail and restaurants; as those impacted by RTO seek to avoid long commutes by moving closer to work.
Keep dumping any stock related to childcare and child-related products. Keeping adults out of their home for nine to ten hours a day is *hostile* to having a family.
I hope you can understand my absence of enthusiasm for this.
These return to office orders from private industry and government and anyone, are death to the environment and represent a real hardship for working parents and caregivers. I wonder how much the legal costs and time will cost taxpayers. You will enjoy your unnecessary expenses taxpayers , and you will like it. More waste . Duplication and waste. Nobody needs to work like it’s 1991. Has our current administration looked at a calendar lately? It says 2026. They are spending billions on technology to make work more accessible. And now doubling costs to get people in offices and desks.
What a stupid policy. Owning hundreds of thousands of square feet of expensive office space and forcing workers to come in who will — wait for it — be sitting in Zoom or Teams meetings all day.
Not to mention these policies are typically designed by older men at the top, who lead departments and don’t have to care for children.
Stupidest fucking policy that is very clearly just designed to try to harm workers. If hybrid work is so bad it needs to end, how does reducing it by one day do anything? Fuck me I feel like I’m on crazy pills with how stupid this regression is.
Ottawa rent about to skyrocket..
One of the many benefits of remote work was the ability of both public and private sector jobs to grow basically infinitely without driving up housing costs in downtown cores. It opened up the hiring process to a much wider and more qualified set of candidates beyond just the people who are willing to live near or commute to the office.
I like Carney but people who refuse to criticize him at all are being too partisan. The man has a $10 mil stake in Brookfield, the largest office space holder in Canada with millions of sqft. Pretty obvious he would turn up the RTO pressure.
Downsizing the public service and then using that savings to buy more office space is a direct wealth transfer from workers to landlords
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Carney’s shown himself pretty adept on picking policies that are winners lately, that can been good publicly policy but also generally popular – I don’t think this one is it.
Yes some businesses are pushing it, because it’s an easy way to drive attrition and discipline the workforce a bit, for others because they are leveraged into commercial real estate.
Obviously Sutcliffe in Ottawa is pushing it because he has no real vision for his downtown other than office workers buying lunch, and Ford is pushing it for REITs etc who donate to him.
I’m guessing for Carney it’s a mix of pressure from these groups mixed with maybe an old-school view of the workplace and potentially a leverage point in union negotiations. Politically, I don’t think this is something to spend capital on especially as an Ottawa area MP, for whom public service voters had a role in unseating his opponent. It seems a bit of a nasty reward. I don’t think it will cause a ton of damage or anything but it feels like the wrong step to me. He should have kicked this can down the road or kept the existing policy, then sell some buildings and put the proceeds into capital projects in Ottawa.
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Bad policy that should be seen as a direct attack on caregivers. This is like downgrading your phone’s OS after having all the benefits of a new and improved version.
Carney is showing his true colours. The poll numbers will dip eventually. When he next needs votes, the public servants won’t be there for him. Same thing with Doug Ford.
They are looking to shrink the federal workforce. This is a good way to do that. Do I agree? No I like working from home but this will definitely lead to ppl looking for work elsewhere
My experience in working with government workers isn’t great. For every person who works hard there’s about two deadweights who just want a cheque for showing up.
I don’t think unionized workers and work from home are compatible. Work from home requires accountability, and unions in Canada find actively fight against accountability. The only reasonable way to manage it would be to have spyware installed on employees computers to verify that they are actually working. That’s way more dystopian than having them return to the office where they can be supervised in person.
„Better to save 3 billion dollars on employees who do work instead of saving 6 billion dollars on buildings which do nothing“ – someone who is very intelligent.
Pretty sure this is part of the plan to reduce the size of the public service. The only people that will be mad about it are public servants.