This is what happens when institutions try to fight fast-moving innovation with blunt tools instead of adapting to how AI is actually used in the real world
Fitz911 on
Aaaand we are fucked
133DK on
If just submit the first draft version every time
Not enough effort to be confused with AI, and if any additional effort meant risk of being suspected of AI use, why risk try-Harding?
Delta_Version on
3th party thinkers
_Aj_ on
Kids gonna be live streaming their assignments for video proof
brick_eater on
In person exams on paper or university-owned laptops are at least part of the answer. But yeah for many essay subjects you do need to have that time to do research. I don’t really know what the answer is there. Maybe make the coursework a non-insignificant part of the degree but make most of the degree grade based on exams?
Starfall9908 on
My sister got suspended for 3 weeks the first time and she’s now called in for another AI accusation again. She’s literally considering dropping out because she’s tired of having her education jeopardized because every left and right are suspecting everything is AI.
El_Beakerr on
Just return to the days of scantrons and no phones. If a student who is getting 100% on their homework and online quizzes can’t even get 50% on an in person exam.
It’s obvious they’re using some sort of AI app to do their work.
aReasonableStick on
I had this happen to me in 2022, I was at uni I submitted my assignment then several hours later I got an email with being accused of using AI, I told them I didnt use AI. Then as a test I submitted my next assignment with AI help and wasnt accused. Turnitin etc cannot tell what is AI and what isn’t, it tends to flag human made work as AI more often than work made with AI. And its probably because so many people are now using AI that if your work looks only slightly different to theirs then you will be flagged.
I have also been flagged as using AI with job applications when I havent because again mostly everyone is now using AI to help make their CV etc.
angelsfish on
I’m a student rn and some professors are literally *forcing* us to use ai with no accommodations for people who don’t feel comfortable doing that. I’m a *history* student. I’m considering dropping out
Glum-Zebra-7127 on
I actually had a paper flagged by the AI plagiarism software as having plagiarism in it. The paper that it referenced was a paper I had previously written!
Well no crap stupid AI! I cant plagiarize myself!!
sierraangel on
University’s: “AI is cheating and lazy.”
Also University: Uses inaccurate AI tools to flag AI use forcing the students to use the same tools to avoid accusations of plagiarism on their own writing.
So, basically, there can be no exceptional students anymore, we’re hurtling towards institutionalized conformity, and over time, the further lack of creativity/imagination in writing will only dumb the AI’s and the resulting output down further.
EngineerTrue5658 on
the only way to stop this is to switch to in person exams and essays only.
Rebel5744 on
Back in my day the software would say I plagiarized a paper 5-15% every time I wrote anything with citations. The worst paper I submitted was a bio of my life… I got dinged for plagiarizing myself on a similar assignment because it was in their database
into_wishin_666 on
Thanks for making my world view just a little more bleak.
notabotbutactslikeit on
Are these things not honorlocked? Every class I’ve had so far is honorlocked. It’s pretty hard to use AI when your screen and you are being recorded.
YouveBeanReported on
I’m so glad I’m not in school at the moment. I got enough bullshit about my edit history being too short (sorry shitty teacher, your gened class is only getting 2-3 edits most) Having to re-write everything to be stupider just to avoid getting told it’s AI, which your professors refuse to teach but just give you AI assignments just … sucks.
This is stupider then the auto-failing for plagiarism because you used your name on your 1st draft or other assignments I had to deal with.
astronaute1337 on
Hey Claude, rewrite this so it sounds as if I didn’t use you to write it.
DinosaurInAPartyHat on
The solution is very simple and we’ve already proven it works. Hand writing and in-person classes where appropriate.
For online, you could do the same and just have the answers/papers posted back to the organisation.
Or what I’ve seen is that you digitally write the whatever and then you have a follow-up chat with your teacher/mentor where they quiz you on a call. If you can’t answer questions about what you just wrote about, you didn’t write it. And some of it is just personality – people who write obsessively long answers in ridiculous detail are a certain personality type and you can feel that on a call.
Prematurid on
Oral exams is an easy way to fix this.
veracity8_ on
It really sucks that the billionaires get to just create cheating-machine-1000 and throw a huge wrench into education and then spend zero time or money on fixing it
SilverAwoo on
Students use AI.
Professors use AI to check if students are using AI.
Students use AI to get around professors using AI to check if students are using AI.
ForsakenRacism on
Just fill out the essay in class. Blue book anyone
pupjvc on
Essays are much easier to write (and keep authentic) if they are written from your perspective. This is where insight is injected into the paper — that’s what makes your paper distinct from all other regurgitated answers and makes your teachers eager to read your work.
apostlebatman on
The easy thing to do is just do all your homework in Google Sheets and show the revision history to anyone accusing you of cheating. No revision history, you clearly didn’t do your work.
Spatul8r on
Hang in there kiddos, I’m making a writing tool with timing data for keystrokes (and infinite undo, why not, we have the technology). You’ll be able to prove you wrote it.
One feature I can’t believe I haven’t seen before became obvious with infinite undo: save orphaned text. When you write something and undo it and write again that undone text is lost forever. Not with mine. There’s a list of all orphaned text. I was thinking of even making it a browser extension so as to make the features universally available on all websites.
Help is on the way, a chronic procrastinator is here to help. And for fucks sake, you don’t beat ai with ai. You beat AI with facts.
Nvenom8 on
Prediction: In 50 years, we’ll know this as “The Useless Generation”.
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This is what happens when institutions try to fight fast-moving innovation with blunt tools instead of adapting to how AI is actually used in the real world
Aaaand we are fucked
If just submit the first draft version every time
Not enough effort to be confused with AI, and if any additional effort meant risk of being suspected of AI use, why risk try-Harding?
3th party thinkers
Kids gonna be live streaming their assignments for video proof
In person exams on paper or university-owned laptops are at least part of the answer. But yeah for many essay subjects you do need to have that time to do research. I don’t really know what the answer is there. Maybe make the coursework a non-insignificant part of the degree but make most of the degree grade based on exams?
My sister got suspended for 3 weeks the first time and she’s now called in for another AI accusation again. She’s literally considering dropping out because she’s tired of having her education jeopardized because every left and right are suspecting everything is AI.
Just return to the days of scantrons and no phones. If a student who is getting 100% on their homework and online quizzes can’t even get 50% on an in person exam.
It’s obvious they’re using some sort of AI app to do their work.
I had this happen to me in 2022, I was at uni I submitted my assignment then several hours later I got an email with being accused of using AI, I told them I didnt use AI. Then as a test I submitted my next assignment with AI help and wasnt accused. Turnitin etc cannot tell what is AI and what isn’t, it tends to flag human made work as AI more often than work made with AI. And its probably because so many people are now using AI that if your work looks only slightly different to theirs then you will be flagged.
I have also been flagged as using AI with job applications when I havent because again mostly everyone is now using AI to help make their CV etc.
I’m a student rn and some professors are literally *forcing* us to use ai with no accommodations for people who don’t feel comfortable doing that. I’m a *history* student. I’m considering dropping out
I actually had a paper flagged by the AI plagiarism software as having plagiarism in it. The paper that it referenced was a paper I had previously written!
Well no crap stupid AI! I cant plagiarize myself!!
University’s: “AI is cheating and lazy.”
Also University: Uses inaccurate AI tools to flag AI use forcing the students to use the same tools to avoid accusations of plagiarism on their own writing.
So, basically, there can be no exceptional students anymore, we’re hurtling towards institutionalized conformity, and over time, the further lack of creativity/imagination in writing will only dumb the AI’s and the resulting output down further.
the only way to stop this is to switch to in person exams and essays only.
Back in my day the software would say I plagiarized a paper 5-15% every time I wrote anything with citations. The worst paper I submitted was a bio of my life… I got dinged for plagiarizing myself on a similar assignment because it was in their database
Thanks for making my world view just a little more bleak.
Are these things not honorlocked? Every class I’ve had so far is honorlocked. It’s pretty hard to use AI when your screen and you are being recorded.
I’m so glad I’m not in school at the moment. I got enough bullshit about my edit history being too short (sorry shitty teacher, your gened class is only getting 2-3 edits most) Having to re-write everything to be stupider just to avoid getting told it’s AI, which your professors refuse to teach but just give you AI assignments just … sucks.
This is stupider then the auto-failing for plagiarism because you used your name on your 1st draft or other assignments I had to deal with.
Hey Claude, rewrite this so it sounds as if I didn’t use you to write it.
The solution is very simple and we’ve already proven it works. Hand writing and in-person classes where appropriate.
For online, you could do the same and just have the answers/papers posted back to the organisation.
Or what I’ve seen is that you digitally write the whatever and then you have a follow-up chat with your teacher/mentor where they quiz you on a call. If you can’t answer questions about what you just wrote about, you didn’t write it. And some of it is just personality – people who write obsessively long answers in ridiculous detail are a certain personality type and you can feel that on a call.
Oral exams is an easy way to fix this.
It really sucks that the billionaires get to just create cheating-machine-1000 and throw a huge wrench into education and then spend zero time or money on fixing it
Students use AI.
Professors use AI to check if students are using AI.
Students use AI to get around professors using AI to check if students are using AI.
Just fill out the essay in class. Blue book anyone
Essays are much easier to write (and keep authentic) if they are written from your perspective. This is where insight is injected into the paper — that’s what makes your paper distinct from all other regurgitated answers and makes your teachers eager to read your work.
The easy thing to do is just do all your homework in Google Sheets and show the revision history to anyone accusing you of cheating. No revision history, you clearly didn’t do your work.
Hang in there kiddos, I’m making a writing tool with timing data for keystrokes (and infinite undo, why not, we have the technology). You’ll be able to prove you wrote it.
One feature I can’t believe I haven’t seen before became obvious with infinite undo: save orphaned text. When you write something and undo it and write again that undone text is lost forever. Not with mine. There’s a list of all orphaned text. I was thinking of even making it a browser extension so as to make the features universally available on all websites.
Help is on the way, a chronic procrastinator is here to help. And for fucks sake, you don’t beat ai with ai. You beat AI with facts.
Prediction: In 50 years, we’ll know this as “The Useless Generation”.