Europäische Inlandsflugstrecken, auf denen Bahnreisen genauso schnell sind
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Europäische Inlandsflugstrecken, auf denen Bahnreisen genauso schnell sind
Von AdIcy4323
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These flight exist as feeder routes for long-haul. Source: am airline pilot.
If we include the check in and the boarding time, it’s the same.
So just choose a suitable transportation like train.
These feed large airports + trains often cost more.
Airport time is the killer. Door-to-door, rail beats flights on most of these, especially center-to-center.
As someone who has flown from London to Manchester, train travel is not as fast. It is two hours on train Vs 40 mins by plane.
And I would add its rarely people flying from Manchester to visit London, or vice versa. It’s more there are many intentional routes that only fly from Heathrow so you have to get a connecting flight.
incoming comments talking about how German trains are bad and always late and Americans being sad about not having as much and me (Brazilian) being suicidally embarrassed that even the US has more than here.
There is a direct train from Berlin to Munich in 4h multiple times a day.
Berlin – Frankfurt is 1 hour and 5 minutes by plane. It’s 4 hours by train.
It’s not comparative at all.
This map is nonsense.
Ryanair is probably cheaper than the train.
Why wouldn’t you also out weekly train trips? The percentage of plane vs train trips is far more relevant than the total number.
I wouldn’t be against traveling by rail if it didn’t cost an arm and a leg and wasn’t so unpredictable
I once flew from Newark to Boston, between security, getting to the airport, inevitable delays, would been just as fast to take a train and less nonsense.
In the UK, buses substitute trains between Manchester – London. Trains are far more expensive and it’s actually cheaper to get a flight from Manchester to Morocco then Manchester to London.
Flights between Manchester and London are connection flights not domestic flights.
Travelling from Bristol to Edinburgh and back the train costs about 2-3x more than the plane.
There was a guy who wanted to go from Sheffield to Essex, and realised it was cheaper to fly than go by train.
And by fly, I of course mean from [Sheffield to Berlin, and then from Berlin to London](https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/deals/deals-hunter/2016/01/flew-home-via-berlin-cheaper-than-train/) and getting the bus home. Still cheaper than the train.
60 fligths for Portugal , crazy!
From Paris there are many where train is easier. Brussels and London I would never consider flying to. Price is a barrier for many however as flights, especially if you have the patience to go to BVA, are incredibly cheap. Hopefully Trenitalia competing with Eurostar will be good as they run great trains to Lyon and Milan.
Important to point out that in the UK the flight will be much cheaper than the train
Trains in germany r not reliable
Now do the same for China so we can all complain about the state of trains in Europe.
Yes but in the UK the train will cost you 10x more
I once flew from London to Glasgow and felt like such a deviant. The airport is 15 minutes from home though!
What’s the difference in rail vs plane fair?
Considering the fact we must arrive at the airport ~2h before a flight, some of these routes could be considered faster by train.
You arrive 15 minutes before the departure, get in, travel for 2 hours, arrive your destination before you friend that finally got in the plane and is waiting for it to take off.
Nearly all of these are major international air traffic hubs, so I’m gonna guess most traffic is people coming off long haul flights then taking a short connection.
The time it takes to collect baggage, leave airport, get to station/board train, is not worth the time or cost if you’re coming in from a long haul flight into, say, Frankfurt.
Who takes the plane from Milan to Rome? It’s like 3:30 hours by train, without the whole time lost in the airports.
Excuse me, we have flights between Manchester and London?! WTF?!
Just get to Europe. The trains will sort the rest.
Train travel is often faster than air between DC and NY. Not the travel time but the total time commitment from door to door.
Who tf is getting a flight from London to Manchester???
Takes more than 2hrs to go from Paris to CDG and from Perrach to Lyon. Even longer if you count from city to plane departure. Loooonger. And if you have a suitcase then even longer. Must be the same thing for other of those trips.
Lisbon – Madrid could very well be on this list if our (Portuguese) government bothered to properly invest in rail
I would make the case that DRIVING is competitive with either of these methods over this distance.
While it takes an hour or two longer to drive vs. one of these other methods, what matters is door to door time. When you drive, you go door-to-door; the others require you to go to a train station or airport and wait. When you drive, you can choose your time rather than have to conform to schedules. When you drive, you have ready transport waiting at the other end, and you can see or do thing intermeditely.
And while I do not know the price for tickets, I am guessing it is as cheap to drive, especially if you have an efficient or an electric vehicle. And if you are riding with others, one car trip is almost certainly a LOT cheaper than multiple train or plane visits — No contest.
Here in the states, when I compare flying to driving (trains are not particularly relevant here), my rule of thumb is that if you are driving 4 or 5 hours or less, driving is faster door to door than flying, and it is significantly cheaper and more convenient.
Whoever did this has never tried to get a train to/from London to Manchester lol.
7 hours to travel from Berlin to Münich? That’s insane considering that it takes 2,5h to travel from Gdańsk to Warsaw
I’m a fan of train travel. But I still take a plane more often. You can’t pretend that these modes of transport connect the same places. Train stations are often located in the city center with excellent local transport links, while international airports are often outside the city with access to the motorway. For me, they are much more complementary than true competitors.
In France, air travel between cities where there is a train option shorter than 2h30 is forbidden.
Edit: but for Paris they count time from the high speed train station… in the CDG Airport and not in the city. So there’s still planes to Lyon.
Bro if we taxed kerosene like 1 cent per litre we’d have enough for massive high-speed rail infrastructure
But we don’t. Money rules.
The high flight to Madrid and to Frankfurt are most likely due to people who are doing a layover in those airports to get on long distance international flights
London-Paris can be done via plane or train, but train is so much more comfortable and the price is not much different
If you want to go from Munich to Berlin or vice versa there is a way faster route.
It’s only about 4 hours instead of the 7 hours shown here.
Manchester and London time could be reduced to just 1hr and been a lot more reliable, if the government didn’t scrap the Manchester connection to the new high speed line. The earliest plans to look into extending the high speed line was postponed to like 2045.
Don’t know about France but I use to take the train a lot (at some point I was taking the train every day) and the amount of issues I have is literally unjustifiable.
One time my train was delayed, and the justification was „it’s raining“.
Another time, it was „The train positionned himself on the wrong track“.
I had way less issues with planes by comparison.
So yeah Paris-Lyon may be as fast by train, if all the stars are aligned
My wife and I went to Berlin last July for a few days, followed by Amsterdam. Two one way airline tickets from Berlin were going to cost us $2200, which seemed excessive for a one hour flight, so we thought, Germany must have great trains, and bought two train tickets to Amsterdam for a total of $250. It was the hottest day of the year, 98 degrees F. We got on the train at 9 AM and it was already hot inside. It was brutal, no AC, they kept apologizing. There were some older folks, some disabled, I was concerned for them.
It broke down in the middle of nowhere for an hour or so. They had to pass out water bottles to all the passengers, there was no other source of water on the train. We finally made it to Amsterdam after 8 grueling hours. Although it was pure hell, we were able to laugh about it later. I met some German people who told me one of the favorite pastimes of Germans is complaining about the trains!
In Spain u could die in the train due to the government
Madrid-Barcelona takes way longer now. The state of trains in Spain is a shame, even before the accident from 2 weeks ago. It is sad.