CPC members are so ridiculous and delusional – they just keep killing their own chances at forming government. Let the floor crossings re-commence!
Acrobatic-Tower6127 on
Not truly surprised. He is not going to win against the Liberals with the same old same old, which his speech was tonight. Liberals will be frankly happy. Look for future floor crossers to the Libs.
Fluffy_Moose_73 on
This basically hands the liberals a majority I guess.
We either get an election in 12 months or enough floor crossers to get the majority
RNTMA on
So a slight underperformance, but more a Marit Stiles than a Bonnie Crombie. Enough to chug along to the next election, but victory seems rather doubtful.
We should remember, this was in Alberta, in the middle of winter, with the Ontario PC convention happening on the same weekend, and a lot of effort put into swooning delegates. I was pretty sure it would have been in the 90s.
Ok_Category_5 on
I get it, if you look at conservative politics in a vacuum. He got a shit ton more seats, technically won the popular vote.
You just need to forget that he was projected to win a supermajority and lost his own fucking seat.
Needle_In_Hay_Stack on
I have said this elsewhere too that
(1) CPC don’t have anyone in sight of PP’s caliber (from their standards)
(2) Those who spent money with hope that PP would have become PM have invested a lot in PP. They won’t want to re-spend from zero.
Also note that Ontario delegates were absent due to their own race going on in Ontario. (As per news channel)
Fidget11 on
So the CPC is happy to remain an opposition party, amazing.
I’m sure the liberals are pumped to know the man with zero personality and an incredibly punchable face is the conservative leader.
Kellervo on
Honestly, given how heavy the thumb on the scale was with how restrictive attendance was, I’m only surprised he didn’t break 90%. They used very similar rules and requirements as the UCP did when Smith was able to secure 92%.
bannab1188 on
Wow. Conservative members are really f’ing dumb and clearly never want to govern again. Which MPs will cross over? Carney will have a majority by Valentine’s Day.
TBH I hope this splits the party – they need to go back to being the PCs and have the nutty right wingers go back to Reform.
PolloConTeriyaki on
Just a reminder that this is Pierre vs nobody. He got 87% of the vote. Carney got 85% of the vote going up against 3 other liberals.
King-in-Council on
I see a morphing message and strong performance on changing the tune for the Conservatives and a Liberal Party attempting to win a 5th election. It’s anyone’s to win or lose; that’s very clear considering how dynamic the world is right now. It’s *wild to me* as someone who graduated high school in 2011 that the Conservatives won a majority in the mock high school election. In my era it was majority greens lol. Conservatives have the youth and union votes. The Liberals have the older vote, and urban elite vote.
The biggest issue facing Carney is he’s trying for a 5th Liberal win in a row. Good luck with that. He’s also a technocrat that uses technocratic language. It’s working for now. But it think it’s a precarious position considering the forces under neath the surface. A highly respected professional central banker is a strength till it flips, and prediction when it flips it (and it will) it will flip fast. I wonder with Carney if there will be a moment where people are done with being told „we know best, we’ve been running things for 30-40 years“ while things get worse, or if it’s will be traditional leadership fatigue (after a couple mandates) Interesting times. Carney has both „establishment Central Banker“ baggage *and* Liberal party fatigue. And I like Carney.
The very worst thing the CPC could have done was ditch their leader. They shouldn’t have done it with O’Toole. Harper took 2 campaigns to become one of the longest serving PMs.
I don’t demonize ether side in Canada. I want to see good game.
ItachiTanuki on
The CPC has completely ceded the centre ground, and with Carney at the helm and Poilievre in the OLO they’re not getting it back.
Sufficient-Tutor-922 on
Canadas fighting for its life and Pierre is still instigating Canadians to fight Canadians for self political gain .
Sounds like a life long career politican forsure .
Loyalist_15 on
While everyone here of course loves to bash the conservatives, don’t forget that Pierre won the highest vote share ever for the party at 41%. Carney beat him out by only 2%.
While seats are a different measurement of course, holding the liberals to a minority after they were riding the anti-Trump wave is still a credible accomplishment. Every other party lost seats and vote percentages, with only the liberals and conservatives rising.
While him losing his own and seat and having some MPs cross the floor is concerning, the only real competitor to Pierre would be Ford, and there has been no obvious attempt for him to try for the job. Pierre is really the only option to keep, and despite what Reddit keeps thinking, the election proved he was competitive, and if Carney keeps having his promises remain unfulfilled, Canadians may drift back towards the Conservatives, or simply away from the Liberals back to any of the other opposition parties.
I always love people saying he is unelectable because he is too ‘far right’. But we tried the other way. Otoole was that option. Canadians shot him down way harder. Pierre had the best results in the parties history, and people are still somehow shocked that the party backs him.
I guess we will see what the future holds, but until Ford becomes a real opponent (if ever) Pierre is really the only option for now.
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CPC members are so ridiculous and delusional – they just keep killing their own chances at forming government. Let the floor crossings re-commence!
Not truly surprised. He is not going to win against the Liberals with the same old same old, which his speech was tonight. Liberals will be frankly happy. Look for future floor crossers to the Libs.
This basically hands the liberals a majority I guess.
We either get an election in 12 months or enough floor crossers to get the majority
So a slight underperformance, but more a Marit Stiles than a Bonnie Crombie. Enough to chug along to the next election, but victory seems rather doubtful.
We should remember, this was in Alberta, in the middle of winter, with the Ontario PC convention happening on the same weekend, and a lot of effort put into swooning delegates. I was pretty sure it would have been in the 90s.
I get it, if you look at conservative politics in a vacuum. He got a shit ton more seats, technically won the popular vote.
You just need to forget that he was projected to win a supermajority and lost his own fucking seat.
I have said this elsewhere too that
(1) CPC don’t have anyone in sight of PP’s caliber (from their standards)
(2) Those who spent money with hope that PP would have become PM have invested a lot in PP. They won’t want to re-spend from zero.
Also note that Ontario delegates were absent due to their own race going on in Ontario. (As per news channel)
So the CPC is happy to remain an opposition party, amazing.
I’m sure the liberals are pumped to know the man with zero personality and an incredibly punchable face is the conservative leader.
Honestly, given how heavy the thumb on the scale was with how restrictive attendance was, I’m only surprised he didn’t break 90%. They used very similar rules and requirements as the UCP did when Smith was able to secure 92%.
Wow. Conservative members are really f’ing dumb and clearly never want to govern again. Which MPs will cross over? Carney will have a majority by Valentine’s Day.
TBH I hope this splits the party – they need to go back to being the PCs and have the nutty right wingers go back to Reform.
Just a reminder that this is Pierre vs nobody. He got 87% of the vote. Carney got 85% of the vote going up against 3 other liberals.
I see a morphing message and strong performance on changing the tune for the Conservatives and a Liberal Party attempting to win a 5th election. It’s anyone’s to win or lose; that’s very clear considering how dynamic the world is right now. It’s *wild to me* as someone who graduated high school in 2011 that the Conservatives won a majority in the mock high school election. In my era it was majority greens lol. Conservatives have the youth and union votes. The Liberals have the older vote, and urban elite vote.
The biggest issue facing Carney is he’s trying for a 5th Liberal win in a row. Good luck with that. He’s also a technocrat that uses technocratic language. It’s working for now. But it think it’s a precarious position considering the forces under neath the surface. A highly respected professional central banker is a strength till it flips, and prediction when it flips it (and it will) it will flip fast. I wonder with Carney if there will be a moment where people are done with being told „we know best, we’ve been running things for 30-40 years“ while things get worse, or if it’s will be traditional leadership fatigue (after a couple mandates) Interesting times. Carney has both „establishment Central Banker“ baggage *and* Liberal party fatigue. And I like Carney.
The very worst thing the CPC could have done was ditch their leader. They shouldn’t have done it with O’Toole. Harper took 2 campaigns to become one of the longest serving PMs.
I don’t demonize ether side in Canada. I want to see good game.
The CPC has completely ceded the centre ground, and with Carney at the helm and Poilievre in the OLO they’re not getting it back.
Canadas fighting for its life and Pierre is still instigating Canadians to fight Canadians for self political gain .
Sounds like a life long career politican forsure .
While everyone here of course loves to bash the conservatives, don’t forget that Pierre won the highest vote share ever for the party at 41%. Carney beat him out by only 2%.
While seats are a different measurement of course, holding the liberals to a minority after they were riding the anti-Trump wave is still a credible accomplishment. Every other party lost seats and vote percentages, with only the liberals and conservatives rising.
While him losing his own and seat and having some MPs cross the floor is concerning, the only real competitor to Pierre would be Ford, and there has been no obvious attempt for him to try for the job. Pierre is really the only option to keep, and despite what Reddit keeps thinking, the election proved he was competitive, and if Carney keeps having his promises remain unfulfilled, Canadians may drift back towards the Conservatives, or simply away from the Liberals back to any of the other opposition parties.
I always love people saying he is unelectable because he is too ‘far right’. But we tried the other way. Otoole was that option. Canadians shot him down way harder. Pierre had the best results in the parties history, and people are still somehow shocked that the party backs him.
I guess we will see what the future holds, but until Ford becomes a real opponent (if ever) Pierre is really the only option for now.