Mussolini hatte seine Schwarzhemden, Hitler hat die SS und Trump hat ICE. Die Existenz dieses zutiefst unverantwortlichen, offenkundig faschistischen Militärapparats stellt eine strukturelle Gefahr für unsere Demokratie dar. Deshalb ist „ICE abschaffen“ eine äußerst gemäßigte Position.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/mussolini-had-his-blackshirts-hitler-has-the-ss-and-trump-has-ice
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I would say its even a conservative/libertarian position if conservatives were consistent in there ideology and not complete hypocrites.
Abolish ICE **is** moderate. Nuremberg ICE is the slightly left of moderate view.
ICE = Turdshirts
A daily reminder that Trump is the symptom. Republicans are the cancer, and they need to be removed from government at all levels, from the Supreme Court and Congress down to the local dogcatcher. I will vote for any candidate who commits to this task.
This was known in July of 2023! The Citizens United/Project 2025 Cabal agreed in 2023 that Americans must be killed to accomplish its goals.
Still waiting for the 2nd Amendment Mafia to show up and denounce what is happening. Not holding my breath though.
Please call your Representatives and Senators. Even if they are Rs, be heard and don’t allow the only voices to be the maga right.
But especially D’s, pressure them to Abolish ICE. Make sure they know we the people will not be silent.
[https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative](https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative)
if only dem lawmakers were moderate enough to do so
ICE is made up of MAGA and the white nationalist groups that supported Trump, You know how you can tell besides the Nazi tattoos and obvious racism?
There’s no counter protestors, Groups like „The Proud boys“ are not doing counter protests in support of ICE because they are ICE.
Abolish ICE is a moderate position. The Extreme position is „kill them all“.
Here’s the thing though: [they don’t have the guys](https://bsky.app/profile/bretdevereaux.bsky.social/post/3mbz5qm6fvk2u).
Hitler and Mussolini had about 0.6% of the population doing this stuff. In the US, that would be 2 million people. They have about 25k, a lot of whom are doing back-office paperwork jobs.
If good people keep blowing whistles, and shouting, and filming, they very much have the power to crush ICE’s morale into oblivion.
The next time someone brings up ICE I plan on asking what is the difference between ICE and the SS aside from SS was better dressed, in better shape, and better trained?
ICE needs to be reformed. This is the same trap democrats fell into with Abolish the Police. It needs to be scaled down and demilitarized. The people that took part in this gestapo shit need to be prosecuted.
>This is why “Abolish ICE” is an extremely moderate position.
Sure, the only question is when is the politically best moment to put forward that position. Is it now? After the midterms? After the 2028 election?
It cannot be achieved before 2029, but when should it be advocated?
as a german, I watch with growing horror. At the shooting of Renee Good, I came to realize that something changed
Trump has his „Brown Shorts“.
FTFY
ICE would be more the SA or Brownshirts in this analogy. The SS really did not become a big thing until the war
and yet it is being reported that the senate dems are offering ice funding increases in exchange for body cams and deescalation training. and they wonder why everyone hates their guts
Here is a regime that is consistently obsessed with threats, they bang on about a new war on some bs day after day, to the point that „war on“ and „threat to“ are now phrases that have lost all meaning. Fictitious ideas on their own notions, that US security should be seen as of the utmost importance, by the entire rest of the world. Yet they staunchly refuse to acknowledge the most dangerous, and imminent threat to American life… ICE. At this point their regard for US human life or security is simply an act, all that is really cared about is US security as a concept, and the power this concept can wield. They fully need to abolish ICE, if only to save their own appearance, to the rest of the world. How dare this regime have the gall, to even propose outrageous threats to take Greenland for their own security, while they themselves have an army of American murderers killing Americans, in broad daylight, on their own soil.
Hot take:
Murder is bad, protecting murderers is bad, attacking victims is bad, invading peaceful cities is bad, theft is bad.
Grow a spine, „moderate“ Dems!
ICE has been loaded up with partisan actors who cannot be trusted to act neutrally in dispensing of the law. Individuals who will act as political operatives and knowingly act in the self interest of the party rather than the United States.
We need a border guard of some kind to prevent entry by persons who should not come in and keep track of who does come. We need a force of people who can search for and humanely deport individuals who enter illegally or who overstay visas.
But as those organizations stand, we face total regulatory capture by people unwilling to be neutral arbiters of justice and stay within their legal bounds in pursuit of those goals. You cannot uphold the law by breaking the law to do it.
Total deconstruction of those agencies and the creation of newer, better, and more politically neutral agencies are needed to ensure no one party has a monopoly over it. Recruits need to be screened for extremism of either kind, be it open borders or xenophobia. Individuals from the existing agencies can apply to join them, but only after extensive scrutiny and evaluation of their previous time. Zero preference given to those persons based solely on prior positions within them.
The fact that there is no apparent way to hold Trump and his minions accountable for illegal actions is disturbing. The fact that the Supreme Court and a large percentage of Congress are happily complicit is terrifying. How do you protect democracy when there is no way to do so? I keep hearing people say „wait until the midterms“ but that assumes (1) there will be midterm elections and (2) that this country will survive until then.
Prosecute ICE. This nation of laws cannot be held together if the people we charge with enforcing the law are not also subject to it.
ICE looks exactly like the FSB, you could even argue they were inspired by them with their Russian corrupted government.
its time to reappropriate “don’t tread on me”
Abolish the patriot act
Abolish the presidential role
Abolish citizens United
Ice = SS/slave catchers
There is a ‘night of the long knives’ coming.
ICE are not the SS.
SS were competent.
ICE are the Brownshirts – SA.
The SS exterminated the SA.
Make of it what you will.
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Hitler had the SA, aka the Brownshirts. That’s who was beating up Jews and leftists in the streets, not the SS. They were wiped out and replaced by the SS after the Nazis had total control of the government and were no longer needed. Look up Night of the Long Knives for more info.
Playing the Nazi Card in the Third Reich
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI) Use Chrome for visible subtitles.
Say ice ice fast out loud
I was born in ’65. ICE was established in 2003. We didn’t need them throughout the 20th century, and we don’t need them now.
Don’t forget the KGB
I mean, I know it’s not new, but the ICE name just has cool dude/gravy seals vibes alone.
our democracy?…who exactly are we trying to fool…
we should stop glorifying ICE they are more like brownshirts, they admire the SS but they are not as competent or organised yet.. The challenge is to stop them becoming the SS now that they have the funding and are beginning to get organised
More than abolish. Anyone who joined ice is worthless garbage.
There is another much more radical sentiment taking hold among the people….