Break from one authoritarian dictatorship directly in to the arms of another authoritarian dictatorship? Doesn’t exactly scream ‚clever plan‘.
KoreanSamgyupsal on
Canada needs to start becoming more cutthroat. We got the resources people want but we always try to play nice.
We need to start putting ourselves first. We should always be open to trade instead of depending on someone and making decisions based on how they react.
0fiuco on
the problem for Canada is that if they really decided to have a proper relationship with China that would also give the u.s. an actual excuse to invade for real. I mean, imagine having chinese bases in canada like americans have in europe, the u.s. would freak out
Memory_Less on
On a partially serious note, accepting Xi’s offer would so F**k with Trump’s head it would be delightful to watch.
The serious part is the takeover of Canada would be sealed, as would Greenland. I think that force would become the preferred plan. It is obvious that the US doesn’t want the communists on our back door.
porterbot on
This Canadian encourages Carney to evaluate prior to any commitments on our behalf, whether he thinks either of the USA or China have respect for human and civil rights critical to Western prosperity
TheTesticler on
I would welcome strengthening trade ties with China.
But let us always keep in mind that China is not an ally and that they would backstab us be it in international politics or militarily.
They are the lesser of two evils right now though.
zxc999 on
> The downturn in relations started with the arrest of a >Chinese tech executive in late 2018 at America’s request and was fueled more recently by the Trudeau government’s decision in 2024 to follow Biden’s lead in imposing a 100 per cent tariff on Chinese-made electric vehicles. China has retaliated for both that and a 25 per cent tariff on steel and aluminum with its own tariffs on Canadian exports including canola, seafood and pork.
It’s actually amusing that there’s been basically no introspection over how badly and stupidly the Meng Wanzhou played out for us in Canadian politics. and now we’re blindly following with EV tariffs while the USA is actively poaching industry to relocate to the USA. What benefits do we get for being so closely aligned with the USA to the detriment of our interests?
Steveonthetoast on
Pretty sure we are. We used to trust them but not anymore and for a very long time. Trump has shown that all the posturing the us has done for decades about being the shining light of democracy was all a sham. When it comes down to it, they turned into a monster with zero oversight. If the states wants to restore this they should try invading the us and overthrowing a corrupt government
maxedgextreme on
China is missing a huge opportunity because they are too set in their ways: They are a huge power, all they have to do is relax a bit and they would be seen as treated as the better, more stable, non villain alternative to USA, Russia, and India, the Middle East.
I’m not talking extremes, China has no interest in becoming the next Switzerland, I just mean doing a cost versus gain analysis of the actions that makes the world hate and distrust them. Is it worth putting citizens you hate in torture camps when you can just punish them financially and draw less disdain? Has „kidnap a couple of foreign businessmen for a bit“ ever been a winning long-term international strategy? Like Russia, they’re so addicted to feeling in control that they try too hard and lose more than they gain.
Sir__Will on
It’s not like the EV stuff was purely about the US. We were trying to build up our own EV production, from parts to the cars themselves. The auto industry is still a decent part of the economy, especially in Ontario. And it’s not the only industry that needs some protection from China. It’s a complicated issue and not just about the US.
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Break from one authoritarian dictatorship directly in to the arms of another authoritarian dictatorship? Doesn’t exactly scream ‚clever plan‘.
Canada needs to start becoming more cutthroat. We got the resources people want but we always try to play nice.
We need to start putting ourselves first. We should always be open to trade instead of depending on someone and making decisions based on how they react.
the problem for Canada is that if they really decided to have a proper relationship with China that would also give the u.s. an actual excuse to invade for real. I mean, imagine having chinese bases in canada like americans have in europe, the u.s. would freak out
On a partially serious note, accepting Xi’s offer would so F**k with Trump’s head it would be delightful to watch.
The serious part is the takeover of Canada would be sealed, as would Greenland. I think that force would become the preferred plan. It is obvious that the US doesn’t want the communists on our back door.
This Canadian encourages Carney to evaluate prior to any commitments on our behalf, whether he thinks either of the USA or China have respect for human and civil rights critical to Western prosperity
I would welcome strengthening trade ties with China.
But let us always keep in mind that China is not an ally and that they would backstab us be it in international politics or militarily.
They are the lesser of two evils right now though.
> The downturn in relations started with the arrest of a >Chinese tech executive in late 2018 at America’s request and was fueled more recently by the Trudeau government’s decision in 2024 to follow Biden’s lead in imposing a 100 per cent tariff on Chinese-made electric vehicles. China has retaliated for both that and a 25 per cent tariff on steel and aluminum with its own tariffs on Canadian exports including canola, seafood and pork.
It’s actually amusing that there’s been basically no introspection over how badly and stupidly the Meng Wanzhou played out for us in Canadian politics. and now we’re blindly following with EV tariffs while the USA is actively poaching industry to relocate to the USA. What benefits do we get for being so closely aligned with the USA to the detriment of our interests?
Pretty sure we are. We used to trust them but not anymore and for a very long time. Trump has shown that all the posturing the us has done for decades about being the shining light of democracy was all a sham. When it comes down to it, they turned into a monster with zero oversight. If the states wants to restore this they should try invading the us and overthrowing a corrupt government
China is missing a huge opportunity because they are too set in their ways: They are a huge power, all they have to do is relax a bit and they would be seen as treated as the better, more stable, non villain alternative to USA, Russia, and India, the Middle East.
I’m not talking extremes, China has no interest in becoming the next Switzerland, I just mean doing a cost versus gain analysis of the actions that makes the world hate and distrust them. Is it worth putting citizens you hate in torture camps when you can just punish them financially and draw less disdain? Has „kidnap a couple of foreign businessmen for a bit“ ever been a winning long-term international strategy? Like Russia, they’re so addicted to feeling in control that they try too hard and lose more than they gain.
It’s not like the EV stuff was purely about the US. We were trying to build up our own EV production, from parts to the cars themselves. The auto industry is still a decent part of the economy, especially in Ontario. And it’s not the only industry that needs some protection from China. It’s a complicated issue and not just about the US.