Kinda weird for the solid blue countries to stan Serbia when even Serbia has more sense
Karabars on
He’s an austrian serb 😌
Woodbirder on
Strange because he always said he was irish
PhoenixDood on
Nicolae Teșlea was Romanian. Such a shame even our own country denies it
mizinamo on
Huh? Wikipedia doesn’t go by country.
Wikipedia editions are by language.
What do you mean with „Belgian Wikipedia“ or „Swiss Wikipedia“?
Where would you place Breton Wikipedia or Irish Wikipedia? How do you deal with the two Norwegian and the two Belarusian Wikipedias?
Does the grey colour for Malta mean „no data“ or „Malta is not part of Europe“?
antisa1003 on
His nationality wasn’t Serbian though, his ethnicity was.
DioudSon on
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Exciting-Bed6435 on
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Malzorn on
Luxemburg the new Greenland?
No Data
The_Krambambulist on
Now do one for Maria Skłodowska-Curie
The-Mayor-of-Italy on
How is ‚Serbian-American of Serbian origin‘ not redundant AF?
Attygalle on
Nationality and ethnicity is something we even nowadays struggle with. And here you really have to add historical context.
Right now Serbia vs Croatia is quite an obvious difference that’s relevant. But when Tesla was born out of ethnically Serbian parents but in Croatia (where he spent his entire youth), that wasn’t so clear. I’m using Croatian and Serbian in the previous sentence but when he was born, the place he lived was really part of Austria-Hungary „proper“. To be precise, the so called „military frontier“ which originally was part of Austria. But during his youth this changed towards the kingdom of Croatia, still part of Austria-Hungary, but depending on the Hungarian crown. Austria-Hungary btw, that itself changed during this period as well. The first patents Tesla filed, did not mention Croatia nor Serbia at all in the application form in the field of Nationality but simply „border country of Austria-Hungary“.
After World War I, Croatia declared independence and almost immediately became part of Yugoslavia. And that was still the name of the country where he grew up, when Tesla died. If you would have asked Nikola Tesla in an open question which nationalities and ethnicity he had, it’s very doubtful that he would mention Croatia or Serbia.
All that doesn’t make the map wrong (or right for that matter), it simply explains why these matters are not as crystal clear as one might think.
Euclid_Interloper on
The question really should be what did HE identify as? In cases like this, where you are ethnically one thing, born another thing, and naturalised as yet another thing, it really is personal choice which identity, or combination of identities, you go with.
madjic on
German Wikipedia can’t bring themselves to call him „Austrian“
One_Strike_Striker on
So, the owners of Europapark didn’t consult the German Wikipedia before putting their Tesla-themed ride in their Croatia section.
derUnkurze on
The map is wrong.
At least in the German wiki his nationality and ethnicity are mentioned.
A serb born in Austria, in today’s Croatia.
jalanajak on
His first 26 years of life clearly suggest that he was an Austro-Hungarian.
MatchAltruistic5313 on
Tesla was an ethnic Serb who held a Croatian passport and citizenship, and later on got USA citizenship and passport.
In his own words: „I am equally proud of my Serb origin and my Croat homeland.“
hicmar on
He was a citizen of Austria Hungary.
FearlessHuckleberry6 on
He once mentioned that his origins are from Togo 🇹🇬
IntelligentJob3089 on
As far as I understand he was a patriot for Croatia as a land while also being proud of his Serb ethnic origin. To me it feels like he believed in South Slavic unity above all else when it came to an identity.
HairyNutsack69 on
SwitZ?
Marhyc on
I was expecting the Balkan part to be a way bigger shitshow with every country there claiming Tesla as his own
AscendGreen on
A similar issue with Ethel Lilian Voynich (née Boole) being primarily called Irish born on Wikipedia (and called flat out Irish elsewhere) despite the fact she was born to English parents, left Ireland when she was a baby and spent most of her life in England and America
LaurestineHUN on
Naturalized American of Croatian Serb origin
sudy_freak on
And you have just started WW III
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So… he was Croatian?
Kinda weird for the solid blue countries to stan Serbia when even Serbia has more sense
He’s an austrian serb 😌
Strange because he always said he was irish
Nicolae Teșlea was Romanian. Such a shame even our own country denies it
Huh? Wikipedia doesn’t go by country.
Wikipedia editions are by language.
What do you mean with „Belgian Wikipedia“ or „Swiss Wikipedia“?
Where would you place Breton Wikipedia or Irish Wikipedia? How do you deal with the two Norwegian and the two Belarusian Wikipedias?
Does the grey colour for Malta mean „no data“ or „Malta is not part of Europe“?
His nationality wasn’t Serbian though, his ethnicity was.
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Luxemburg the new Greenland?
No Data
Now do one for Maria Skłodowska-Curie
How is ‚Serbian-American of Serbian origin‘ not redundant AF?
Nationality and ethnicity is something we even nowadays struggle with. And here you really have to add historical context.
Right now Serbia vs Croatia is quite an obvious difference that’s relevant. But when Tesla was born out of ethnically Serbian parents but in Croatia (where he spent his entire youth), that wasn’t so clear. I’m using Croatian and Serbian in the previous sentence but when he was born, the place he lived was really part of Austria-Hungary „proper“. To be precise, the so called „military frontier“ which originally was part of Austria. But during his youth this changed towards the kingdom of Croatia, still part of Austria-Hungary, but depending on the Hungarian crown. Austria-Hungary btw, that itself changed during this period as well. The first patents Tesla filed, did not mention Croatia nor Serbia at all in the application form in the field of Nationality but simply „border country of Austria-Hungary“.
After World War I, Croatia declared independence and almost immediately became part of Yugoslavia. And that was still the name of the country where he grew up, when Tesla died. If you would have asked Nikola Tesla in an open question which nationalities and ethnicity he had, it’s very doubtful that he would mention Croatia or Serbia.
All that doesn’t make the map wrong (or right for that matter), it simply explains why these matters are not as crystal clear as one might think.
The question really should be what did HE identify as? In cases like this, where you are ethnically one thing, born another thing, and naturalised as yet another thing, it really is personal choice which identity, or combination of identities, you go with.
German Wikipedia can’t bring themselves to call him „Austrian“
So, the owners of Europapark didn’t consult the German Wikipedia before putting their Tesla-themed ride in their Croatia section.
The map is wrong.
At least in the German wiki his nationality and ethnicity are mentioned.
A serb born in Austria, in today’s Croatia.
His first 26 years of life clearly suggest that he was an Austro-Hungarian.
Tesla was an ethnic Serb who held a Croatian passport and citizenship, and later on got USA citizenship and passport.
In his own words: „I am equally proud of my Serb origin and my Croat homeland.“
He was a citizen of Austria Hungary.
He once mentioned that his origins are from Togo 🇹🇬
As far as I understand he was a patriot for Croatia as a land while also being proud of his Serb ethnic origin. To me it feels like he believed in South Slavic unity above all else when it came to an identity.
SwitZ?
I was expecting the Balkan part to be a way bigger shitshow with every country there claiming Tesla as his own
A similar issue with Ethel Lilian Voynich (née Boole) being primarily called Irish born on Wikipedia (and called flat out Irish elsewhere) despite the fact she was born to English parents, left Ireland when she was a baby and spent most of her life in England and America
Naturalized American of Croatian Serb origin
And you have just started WW III