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    Meinung: Wird Russland dem Einsatz westlicher Streitkräfte in der Ukraine zustimmen? Nein. Aber na und

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    1. culture_vulture_1961 on

      Its time to call Putins bluff. Security guarantees without NATO (ie European) boots on the ground are meaningless.

    2. Redditreallysucks99 on

      Whether Russia agrees to the deployment of troops is highly relevant, as it will determine whether a ceasefire is possible or not.

    3. LoneSnark on

      Depends how the war ends. It is entirely plausible for the peace to be credible enough to not be that reliant on security guarantees.

    4. SpinzACE on

      Putin can’t agree to any ceasefire or peace deal that doesn’t let him continue the war in 3-6 months.

      Or unless Russia is very obviously going to collapse

    5. huyvanbin on

      That’s right. Russia doesn’t have infinite agency. Maybe Putin will agree to something he doesn’t like, maybe someone will agree for him, maybe nobody will agree but it won’t matter. If Russia had taken Trump’s initial offer, it might have been difficult for Ukraine to say no, and they might have been able to take western forces off the table, now the potential deal has gotten worse for them. They’ve relented on every so called red line for what they would never tolerate in Ukraine, eventually someone will say enough is enough. And it’s not even about these token western forces being able to do anything of importance so much as the symbolism of the Russian leadership being unable to prevent it.

    6. monkeybawz on

      He could always use nukes.

      Assuming that the decades old nukes in Russia have actually been maintained, and haven’t been pillaged for parts by drunken soldiers. Can’t imagine a scarier job than being the guy who gets the order to launch russian nukes. Odds are the launch button will just make it detonate where it stands….. If it’s even capable of that.

    7. fooloncool6 on

      Honestly should just start doing it anyway, not combat deployment but just freeing up Ukrainian troops

    8. CompetitiveEnd6974 on

      He will simply have to deal with it and the ever present risk of a massive miscalculation. In the meantime Russia will end up like Iran with nothing to do behind a wall of sanctions but stir up trouble around the region. And the population bomb in Eastern Europe and Russia means there’s dwindling human resources for invasions. It’s a stalemate that could actually last a while provided NATO stops expanding

    9. secondsniglet on

      Making the deployment of western troops contingent on a peace agreement effectively gives Russia a veto on the deployment of allied troops. Russia will simply never agree to a peace that did not prohibit the deployment of allied troops within Ukraine (or any other form of military assistance which would constitute a genuine deterrent). The only circumstance in which Russia would agree to a peace that permitted the deployment of allied troops is when Russia is at the point of utter defeat and the front is collapsing. Until that time Russia will continue to insist on maximalist aims and will refuse to sign on to any peace that has any form of effective deterrent (such as the presence of allied troops on Ukraine soil).

      The irony is that if we reach the point where Russia has been utterly defeated (and is willing to accept whatever terms Ukraine wants), then security guarantees from allies won’t really be very important because Russia will be down for the count and so incredibly emaciated that it won’t be able to even consider a new invasion for decades.

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