Mary McAleese: Die Taufe ist ein wichtiges Rekrutierungsinstrument für Katholiken. Es verweigert Babys ihre Menschenrechte

Well like yeah, the fact that my parents chose to enrol me into an organisation that says that I and any relationship I may have is not as valid as theirs was wrong.

Infant baptism is insane. Adults should be making the decision of what religion they are. No one else should be making that decision for you.

If I had the choice I wouldn’t have been baptised. I didn’t have the choice. The religion was forced onto me and that’s not right. It’s one of the few things that American evangelicals are right about and are less insane than Catholics on.

Hm, I wonder what else denies babies their human rights.

If anything is contrary to human rights, it is the Catholic indoctrination policy as a whole, not simply the baptism.

Pouring a bit of water on a baby is a problem but cutting off their foreskins for religious reasons isn’t.

What exactly are the „substantial inescapable obligations“ that she mentions? As a baptised atheist, being baptised has no effect on me whatsoever. I didn’t lose any legal rights,the church has no power over me, it makes no difference to my life at all. Take away baptism and religious parents will still bring their child to church, raise them to believe etc, and I can still stop believing or convert to another religion if I want to. What’s the impact?

Well, is your parents religion, is not that you’re obliged to follow neither their values or obligations once you grow up. You just happened to be born in a Christian family, if anything the fact that your parents are Christians will have significantly more impact on your life rather than having a priest dunking you on holy water.

You have to be a reddit tier atheist to come out with this shite lol.

I’m an atheist and I was baptised, it’s literally nothing 😂. My parents had a nice day out with all their close relatives and friends and some weird lad in a dress put a drop of water on me before I could remember anything. Give your head a wobble.

This is about the idea that the government owns the citizens from birth, they have no problem with childhood indoctrination as long as it’s in whatever the state currently believes to be expedient.

People only go to christenings for the few pints after anyway.

Baptism per se is a spiritual exercise, and isn’t the unique domaine of any Christian denomination. You are baptised as a Christian, not a Roman Catholic or Anglican or Methodist or whatever. The problem arises because the RCC uses documentary information from this event to calculate membership, which is inaccurate, and unfair to those who reject the promises made on their behalf at baptism and supposedly renewed voluntarily (at the age of 11 or 12, when they are not able to make fully informed adult decisions)

You can’t leave the RCC. But if you do and join, say, the Church of Ireland, you are not re-baptised. You make a declaration that you are a signed up member of the church and from then on you are counted, and your local parish has to pay a stipend based on signed up members. So you are still „on the books“ of the RCC even though you are counted as a member of a different denomination as well.

And of course if you step away from Christianity altogether, you are still on the books. The focus here should be on holding the RCC to account for this „false accountancy“; it’s not a democracy, and laity can’t change this directly, but in the interests of openness and honesty it should be a priority of those who CAN change it.

To come back to McAleese’s contention, and sum up the matter – there is no civil rights breach involved in baptism, but in how the RCC deals with the records of this event.

Funny to see Mary McAleese of all people talking like a Reddit Atheist. 

Outside of that one really good scene in The Godfather baptisms tend to be a fairly benign event.

thats one way of looking at it but those children that get baptised get baptised by their parents. Their parents are entitled to make that decision for them that is kind of how it always has been and just because she is angry at the church doesn’t change that