We have to much garbage restaurants.. hope this clears it up.
pm_sushirolls on
Shits expensive now dinner for two is minimum 100 bucks with two meals and drinks. I stopped going out once a week because everything started to taste the same with Sysco being used by majority of restaurants
FD5CSX on
More may survive if we got rid of tipping culture? The main reason I stopped dining out is between taxes and tips i have to pay at least 25% over menu price. The money you spend eating out once can buy you grocery for the whole damn week nearly tax free so it’s very poor value proposition.
SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING on
> Last year, 7,000 restaurants went out of business, according to a new study from Dalhousie University.
Headline makes it sound negative. This is however better than last year and per article prior years all the way back to 2019. No data from before that shared there.
robfordto6 on
Businesses close all the time in fact most don’t make it past the first year. Nothing to see here
bluejaykanata on
Honestly, many of them fully deserve to go out of business. There are several restaurants in my area that do not offer anything special, are always empty, have terrible service, and somehow managed to stay open for years.
mind_mine on
Well yes getting squeezed on everything leaves less to spend on the „luxury“ of eating out
ripndipp on
Going out as a family to eat is cooked
scott_c86 on
While it wouldn’t solve everything, commercial rent control would help.
akd432006 on
2 reasons:
– Most Canadians have 0 money for discretionary spending; – Restaurants have gotten way too expensive.
freezymcgeezy on
If every single East sides Mario’s, Boston Pizza, Kelseys, and any other place that sells overpriced reheated slop closed, I would not shed a single tear.
momma_kent08 on
Just went to an independent burger joint for dinner with my hubby last night. 2 burgers, a side salad, side onion rings, and an appetizer was $75 with tip. No pop, no alcohol. Who can afford to go out regularly? I’m not surprised restaurants are struggling. Increased costs for them means increased priced for customers. It’s a vicious cycle.
repoman042 on
I managed a restaurant for 10 years before getting out of the industry in 2019 (thankfully). I have been saying forever, the middle of the road dining experience is dead unless you’re a chain. Overhead is just too high. Costs are just too high. If you’re not high fine dining or fast food/take-out, you won’t survive
Comrade_agent on
if only it was 4k tim hortons
beerbeatsbear on
Maybe don’t just serve sysco trash and have your employees EXPECTING 20% tips with horrible service and awful attitudes, not to mention the prices being ridiculous.
TarsesaK on
„Recent news release regarding thousands of restaurant closures hopes to drum up support for more temporary foreign workers“
ripndipp on
I feel like I’m going crazy but I feel like the QUALITY has dropped significantly in food and you can tell people are cutting costs
baintaintit on
all comes back to ers not paying their ees enough to live on, and monopolistic food corps being greedy as hell.
essuxs on
And how many restaurants will open to offset that?
LowComfortable5676 on
Restaurants are hardly a sure investment. Its always a massive risk and quite frankly im surprised so many people are willing to do it
GhandiExceptNot on
It’s called commercial rent! Thank you for your attention to this matter
KelVarnsen_2023 on
What a crappy article. 4,000 restaurants sounds bad but without knowing how many restaurants there are in Canada there is zero context. Like 4000 out of 5000 restaurants closing is a lot worse than 4000 out of 4 million.
Routine_Soup2022 on
One of the factors cited in the article is a drop in the consumption of alcoholic beverages. That’s not a bad thing from a public health perspective. I think that there are far too many businesses relying on alcohol and gambling to make their bottom lines work. It’s part of a structural problem. It’s become an either/or – Either make the population healthier or keep restaurants open. I know which one I’m choosing.
112iias2345 on
The restaurant industry is notoriously challenging, however the economy is still crap so I would suggest taking tax off prepared food again
BigButtBeads on
Hopefully Tim Hortons
Street_Mall9536 on
In my town there has been at least 50 chain take out „restaurants“ open in the past few years. Mostly US and US type, think Subs chicken and Ramen/niche.
All massively overpriced with an absurd wait time. Even the conventional take out McDonald’s etc are hilariously expensive and they never have anything ready, oh you want a chicken sandwich, that will be 10 mins..
I welcome a collapse in garbage food and service.
LokiDesigns on
If I go out for a pint and a burger, it’s $40 plus tip. The servers are getting paid minimum wage. The restaurant can’t afford to stay open, so they close. Is it food suppliers and slumlords who are taking all the profits?
gigglios on
Good. Opening up all those csbfa fast food places was a pure scam and cost our taxpayers billions. Not to mention all the lmia fraud at so many of them
Thick_Caterpillar379 on
Who can afford to eat (or drink) out at restaurants?
Not to mention, the shitification of everything…the quality is no longer there, and the prices keep climbing. I don’t enjoy paying almost $30 (including taxes and tip) on a small piece of meat and bland fillers.
Zarxon on
4000 go out of business 6000 start up.
Ok-Trainer3150 on
The restaurant industry has always had a high failure rate, especially in the first few years. That said, we rarely go out to eat any more. It’s often not the money per say but what mediocrity the money gets you.
Gunman885 on
I can barely afford groceries, not alone go out to eat. Like I literally can’t afford name brand groceries, not alone a sit down restaurant. Zero fast food these days either
hardk7 on
The article shares more statistics that paint a less dire picture than the headline implies. The closure statistics also take into account dormant/defunct businesses that have not been operating.
With that said, alcohol revenue is down which is a big challenge for restaurants. The rates of alcohol consumption are much lower in Gen Z (though I’d imagine their cannabis and nicotine consumption is much higher). So, y’all need to drink more, I can’t do it all myself.
Square_Huckleberry53 on
Independent cafes and restaurants can’t compete with the big chains.
seemefail on
Sounds like a normal number for a tough business in a country of 40 million
_Rayette on
I remember 15 years ago seeing a stat that over 50% of restaurants go out of business in their first two years. In my 5 years working as a server I had two places close with less than 24 hours notice. It seems like since then we’ve embraced welfare for businesses while employees are still told tough shit if they lose their jobs!
toilet_for_shrek on
Let me guess, they need access to foreign indentured slaves via a LMIA if they want to stay afloat?
If your business can’t survive paying market wages, then maybe it needs to shut down
prsnep on
Let them go out of business. Don’t let them use cheap foreign labour to undercut competitive businesses.
metallica41070 on
how is this possible we are all back to office now and spending all our money for lunches so they can stay in business right?
TypingPlatypus on
My local restaurants that cook tasty fresh food with great service and fair prices are busy all the time. All the other places that keep popping up…not so much.
Kristalderp on
I hope a lot of them are chain restoraunts.
So many opened up post covid to just prop up TFWs in my area when there was no need or demand for a 2nd restoraunt of the same chain just 15 mins away from each other.
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We have to much garbage restaurants.. hope this clears it up.
Shits expensive now dinner for two is minimum 100 bucks with two meals and drinks. I stopped going out once a week because everything started to taste the same with Sysco being used by majority of restaurants
More may survive if we got rid of tipping culture? The main reason I stopped dining out is between taxes and tips i have to pay at least 25% over menu price. The money you spend eating out once can buy you grocery for the whole damn week nearly tax free so it’s very poor value proposition.
> Last year, 7,000 restaurants went out of business, according to a new study from Dalhousie University.
Headline makes it sound negative. This is however better than last year and per article prior years all the way back to 2019. No data from before that shared there.
Businesses close all the time in fact most don’t make it past the first year. Nothing to see here
Honestly, many of them fully deserve to go out of business. There are several restaurants in my area that do not offer anything special, are always empty, have terrible service, and somehow managed to stay open for years.
Well yes getting squeezed on everything leaves less to spend on the „luxury“ of eating out
Going out as a family to eat is cooked
While it wouldn’t solve everything, commercial rent control would help.
2 reasons:
– Most Canadians have 0 money for discretionary spending; – Restaurants have gotten way too expensive.
If every single East sides Mario’s, Boston Pizza, Kelseys, and any other place that sells overpriced reheated slop closed, I would not shed a single tear.
Just went to an independent burger joint for dinner with my hubby last night. 2 burgers, a side salad, side onion rings, and an appetizer was $75 with tip. No pop, no alcohol. Who can afford to go out regularly? I’m not surprised restaurants are struggling. Increased costs for them means increased priced for customers. It’s a vicious cycle.
I managed a restaurant for 10 years before getting out of the industry in 2019 (thankfully). I have been saying forever, the middle of the road dining experience is dead unless you’re a chain. Overhead is just too high. Costs are just too high. If you’re not high fine dining or fast food/take-out, you won’t survive
if only it was 4k tim hortons
Maybe don’t just serve sysco trash and have your employees EXPECTING 20% tips with horrible service and awful attitudes, not to mention the prices being ridiculous.
„Recent news release regarding thousands of restaurant closures hopes to drum up support for more temporary foreign workers“
I feel like I’m going crazy but I feel like the QUALITY has dropped significantly in food and you can tell people are cutting costs
all comes back to ers not paying their ees enough to live on, and monopolistic food corps being greedy as hell.
And how many restaurants will open to offset that?
Restaurants are hardly a sure investment. Its always a massive risk and quite frankly im surprised so many people are willing to do it
It’s called commercial rent! Thank you for your attention to this matter
What a crappy article. 4,000 restaurants sounds bad but without knowing how many restaurants there are in Canada there is zero context. Like 4000 out of 5000 restaurants closing is a lot worse than 4000 out of 4 million.
One of the factors cited in the article is a drop in the consumption of alcoholic beverages. That’s not a bad thing from a public health perspective. I think that there are far too many businesses relying on alcohol and gambling to make their bottom lines work. It’s part of a structural problem. It’s become an either/or – Either make the population healthier or keep restaurants open. I know which one I’m choosing.
The restaurant industry is notoriously challenging, however the economy is still crap so I would suggest taking tax off prepared food again
Hopefully Tim Hortons
In my town there has been at least 50 chain take out „restaurants“ open in the past few years. Mostly US and US type, think Subs chicken and Ramen/niche.
All massively overpriced with an absurd wait time. Even the conventional take out McDonald’s etc are hilariously expensive and they never have anything ready, oh you want a chicken sandwich, that will be 10 mins..
I welcome a collapse in garbage food and service.
If I go out for a pint and a burger, it’s $40 plus tip. The servers are getting paid minimum wage. The restaurant can’t afford to stay open, so they close. Is it food suppliers and slumlords who are taking all the profits?
Good. Opening up all those csbfa fast food places was a pure scam and cost our taxpayers billions. Not to mention all the lmia fraud at so many of them
Who can afford to eat (or drink) out at restaurants?
Not to mention, the shitification of everything…the quality is no longer there, and the prices keep climbing. I don’t enjoy paying almost $30 (including taxes and tip) on a small piece of meat and bland fillers.
4000 go out of business 6000 start up.
The restaurant industry has always had a high failure rate, especially in the first few years. That said, we rarely go out to eat any more. It’s often not the money per say but what mediocrity the money gets you.
I can barely afford groceries, not alone go out to eat. Like I literally can’t afford name brand groceries, not alone a sit down restaurant. Zero fast food these days either
The article shares more statistics that paint a less dire picture than the headline implies. The closure statistics also take into account dormant/defunct businesses that have not been operating.
With that said, alcohol revenue is down which is a big challenge for restaurants. The rates of alcohol consumption are much lower in Gen Z (though I’d imagine their cannabis and nicotine consumption is much higher). So, y’all need to drink more, I can’t do it all myself.
Independent cafes and restaurants can’t compete with the big chains.
Sounds like a normal number for a tough business in a country of 40 million
I remember 15 years ago seeing a stat that over 50% of restaurants go out of business in their first two years. In my 5 years working as a server I had two places close with less than 24 hours notice. It seems like since then we’ve embraced welfare for businesses while employees are still told tough shit if they lose their jobs!
Let me guess, they need access to foreign indentured slaves via a LMIA if they want to stay afloat?
If your business can’t survive paying market wages, then maybe it needs to shut down
Let them go out of business. Don’t let them use cheap foreign labour to undercut competitive businesses.
how is this possible we are all back to office now and spending all our money for lunches so they can stay in business right?
My local restaurants that cook tasty fresh food with great service and fair prices are busy all the time. All the other places that keep popping up…not so much.
I hope a lot of them are chain restoraunts.
So many opened up post covid to just prop up TFWs in my area when there was no need or demand for a 2nd restoraunt of the same chain just 15 mins away from each other.