Like I’ve said elsewhere, the real elephant in the room for Europe and by extension the entire free world is not the idea that America is no longer a reliable ally.
It’s the growing likelihood that America is now a threat to the free world; an imperialist power that behaves just like Russia and China. This is such a terrifying prospect that no international politician even wants to discuss it in public. I do hope they have had discussions in private instead of waiting for the tariff / sanction / military hammer to fall on them.
HumanSquare9453 on
Europe should stop sending strong worded letter and instead send troop in Greenland. Not doing it is an admission of weakness. Anyway their not using it them anywhere else right now
NovaDarkFox on
Hopefully, the EU will take that as a lesson and learn that the US has always been and will always be unreliable.
I would like to see a European army now.
Diegomax22 on
We already lost it since 1945 with De Gaulle teachings.
No-Confidence-9191 on
Very good article. Painfully to read yet so true. Europe is weak and hence has to swallow the humiliation which is around the corner. Not concession, not political maneuvering. Geostrategic humiliation and a realisation that they are nothing more than a plaything for the people with guns and the willingness to use them.
Economy-Bumblebee215 on
I don’t want US to take Greenland. However maybe it’s what will wake Europe tf up. We’re doing a lot but we need to do more.
GlesgaBawbag on
Yet the UK just did this.
„The UK will be at the leading edge of defence innovation as the government signs a new partnership with Palantir to unlock billions in investment and deliver on the Government’s Plan for Change“.
Embarrassing.
myaccountgotbanmed on
As an Aussie I’m watching this thinking we need to ally ourselves w someone else. USA is way too unreliable.
What if they decide they want some of our minerals or something, what’s gonna stop them helping themselves
butwhywedothis on
The main problem is, Europe in general is not vocal when they fight back. The tone always seems mild which is taken for weakness by Americans. Europe needs to speak the same language, at least with this administration.
If they talk about taking Greenland, tell them Europe will discuss with California governor directly to start referendum for it to become California republic. Fight their aggression with aggression.
The time for mildness is over.
Bango-TSW on
It’s not just the extra money that all European nations (excluding Russia of course) will have to pay on their defence, but also the change in mindset that wars were something that only happened in far-off lands that could be avoided through politics and the adoption of neutrality and non-aggression.
MJGB714 on
Scotland needs to confiscate his crappy golf course. Hit him where it hurts.
alexice89 on
Germany needs to stop having ww2 shame and arm up. Rest of EU will follow.
CharmingJackfruit167 on
No worries, it will be a peaceful referendum.
utsuriga on
OK I’m officially tired of these posts.
Yes, we KNOW the US is not a reliable ally (or even an ally) anymore. We KNOW.
Do we *really* need fifty posts/day of various levels of fearmongering and doomerism, about this, with pointless conversations going in circles? It’s starting to affect my mental health at this point.
BaddonAOE on
Actually, I do not think the United States is an unreliable ally, nor do I believe that Europe should be afraid of being abandoned.
Rather, I think the American political elite has realized that the war in Ukraine has been contributing to a gradual strengthening of Europe, and therefore to a slow increase in its strategic autonomy. Not in a dramatic or sudden way, but step by step.
This is likely what concerns US leaders the most: the emergence of a stronger and more independent Europe. One that develops its own defense industry, its own technological ecosystems, and its own strategic priorities. Such a shift would significantly alter the current balance.
In that scenario, the United States would not lose its influence through conflict, but through rebalancing. A Europe that no longer depends as heavily on American weapons, technology, and strategic leadership would inevitably reduce US global leverage, potentially accelerating a relative shift of power toward China.
This is why USA tries currently to afraid us.
Suspicious-Spot1651 on
What are we waiting to close their military bases ?
waterkip on
NATO needs to be disolved or expunge the US. Pick whatever one that leads to a European defense force. Europe also needs to step away from American made defense material.
The US cannot be trusted at this point and it will take decades to regain that trust.
katunar3000 on
Europe is still sleeping I guess
Commercial-Ad7119 on
Article is already out of date as GB France Dental and Her will provide trips to Greenland.
KinkySouthAsian on
It’s already begun. Boycott all American products and services.
Excellent_Ad4250 on
Go into Ukraine, bring them into Europe. Use their experience to prepare for potential another aggression.
Hot-Section1805 on
it’s regrettable when the „a“ in ally turns into „bu“
Few-Ad-139 on
It wasn’t for the lack of warning from many people. Can we finally take care of our defense and industry or will we continue to pretend that of all the places in the world, it’s Europe who lacks the money to invest in its own survival? That BS lead us to where we are. Will we continue?
bidingmytime121 on
I remember when I posted a few weeks ago where I wrote that the US is not only no ally anymore, but an enemy, I was accused of „watching to many movies“ by 3 Americans in this sub…
mariellaxm on
Over 5000 posts and 351k karma speaks for itself. Mods need to stop these fearmongering/doomsday fanatics.
Small-Ad8992 on
Western Europe was freeloading for too long, now meet the wrath of the new mighty POTUS.
Chilliger on
Europe has to ban all social media from the US. Reddit included. I know it is hypocritical.
If you think Russian disinformation is bad, wait what the US could be doing. They have the monopoly of information in the West. One after another the states of Europe will fall into the hands of right wingers and they will try to destroy the EU from within.
Ancient_Ship2980 on
Europe, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, as well as US strategic partners, must bolster their military and defense capabilities as fast as they can across the entire spectrum of conflict. The same applies to trade and economic issues. Trump’s America has no allies. It has no strategic partners.
Ancient_Ship2980 on
Europe, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, as well as US strategic partners, must bolster their military and defense capabilities as fast as they can across the entire spectrum of conflict. The same applies to trade and economic issues. Trump’s America has no allies. It has no strategic partners.
SeriesDowntown5947 on
Its a change in world order. Europe needs to get its act together. Total security eg including borders. Look at germany trying to get conscrption going. Its scary. There’s maybe no way they can get a homogeneous force.
Isa_Boletini on
The way this is going, soon our best friend will be Russia.
marioandl_ on
> it’s ‚dangerous to be America’s enemy‘ but ‚fatal‘ to be its friend
Late-Following792 on
Premptive strike on usa greenland bases? To ease the tension.
Level_Low6101 on
What really irks me is these morons claiming for 10+ years now that cooperation is woke amd might makes right and that’s why NATO is doomed.
But the only reason why NATO is shaking is THEM!!! They are the ones doing it!!!!!!!
Longjumping_Walk_992 on
Trumps tail is wagging the dog. This is his method to spin up debate while he sits back and watches and looks for ways to assert his will while other people create the opening.
happenedtoyoureye on
Trump sees a tri-polar world where America, Russia, China dominate their regions . He wants the EU to break up so it’s easier for America and Russia to bully individual nations. Be amazed if NATO is still standing it’s current form by the end of Trump. Europe needs to wise up. The world has changed.
yksvaan on
Well Europe seems to be full of naive idiots, obviously everyone cares primarily for their own interests. Sometimes they align with others so alliances, deals and such are formed. But things change and in the end it’s everyone for themselves.
But there seems to be a ton of exaggeration online for political reasons likely. Looking at reddit front page gives such a hysterical impression about everything as if war is on and civil war as well..
Tribe303 on
We did warn you, and you said we were overreacting. 🇨🇦
Alive_Reveal8939 on
Remember how easily we Europeans bent-over over the tariffs? Yeah, that was just Trump testing us. We lost then and there
BaronMontesquieu on
Europe has done so little over the last three decades to shore up an independent and self-sufficient strategic plan that didn’t assume continuity of US foreign policy. The collective negligence in this regard, despite the numerous warnings and pleas from strategy think tanks, borders on recklessly criminal.
Even now, with the US being absolutely crystal clear about their position and their intentions (and even fulfilling those intentions in real time), Europe remains committed to a ‚watch, see, discuss‘ approach.
Europe will be the 21st century’s takers. As in, they will take what little they are given by the major powers and they’ll be begrudgingly thankful for it.
DepletedMitochondria on
Of course. This should have been clear for years since W Bush. The US is growing more and more unstable to the point that the occasional Dem administration won’t have enough time in 4 years to clean things up even if they had the willingness.
krzywaLagaMikolaja on
Here’s a lesson in how putting more and more executive powers on one man is not the best idea…
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Like I’ve said elsewhere, the real elephant in the room for Europe and by extension the entire free world is not the idea that America is no longer a reliable ally.
It’s the growing likelihood that America is now a threat to the free world; an imperialist power that behaves just like Russia and China. This is such a terrifying prospect that no international politician even wants to discuss it in public. I do hope they have had discussions in private instead of waiting for the tariff / sanction / military hammer to fall on them.
Europe should stop sending strong worded letter and instead send troop in Greenland. Not doing it is an admission of weakness. Anyway their not using it them anywhere else right now
Hopefully, the EU will take that as a lesson and learn that the US has always been and will always be unreliable.
I would like to see a European army now.
We already lost it since 1945 with De Gaulle teachings.
Very good article. Painfully to read yet so true. Europe is weak and hence has to swallow the humiliation which is around the corner. Not concession, not political maneuvering. Geostrategic humiliation and a realisation that they are nothing more than a plaything for the people with guns and the willingness to use them.
I don’t want US to take Greenland. However maybe it’s what will wake Europe tf up. We’re doing a lot but we need to do more.
Yet the UK just did this.
„The UK will be at the leading edge of defence innovation as the government signs a new partnership with Palantir to unlock billions in investment and deliver on the Government’s Plan for Change“.
Embarrassing.
As an Aussie I’m watching this thinking we need to ally ourselves w someone else. USA is way too unreliable.
What if they decide they want some of our minerals or something, what’s gonna stop them helping themselves
The main problem is, Europe in general is not vocal when they fight back. The tone always seems mild which is taken for weakness by Americans. Europe needs to speak the same language, at least with this administration.
If they talk about taking Greenland, tell them Europe will discuss with California governor directly to start referendum for it to become California republic. Fight their aggression with aggression.
The time for mildness is over.
It’s not just the extra money that all European nations (excluding Russia of course) will have to pay on their defence, but also the change in mindset that wars were something that only happened in far-off lands that could be avoided through politics and the adoption of neutrality and non-aggression.
Scotland needs to confiscate his crappy golf course. Hit him where it hurts.
Germany needs to stop having ww2 shame and arm up. Rest of EU will follow.
No worries, it will be a peaceful referendum.
OK I’m officially tired of these posts.
Yes, we KNOW the US is not a reliable ally (or even an ally) anymore. We KNOW.
Do we *really* need fifty posts/day of various levels of fearmongering and doomerism, about this, with pointless conversations going in circles? It’s starting to affect my mental health at this point.
Actually, I do not think the United States is an unreliable ally, nor do I believe that Europe should be afraid of being abandoned.
Rather, I think the American political elite has realized that the war in Ukraine has been contributing to a gradual strengthening of Europe, and therefore to a slow increase in its strategic autonomy. Not in a dramatic or sudden way, but step by step.
This is likely what concerns US leaders the most: the emergence of a stronger and more independent Europe. One that develops its own defense industry, its own technological ecosystems, and its own strategic priorities. Such a shift would significantly alter the current balance.
In that scenario, the United States would not lose its influence through conflict, but through rebalancing. A Europe that no longer depends as heavily on American weapons, technology, and strategic leadership would inevitably reduce US global leverage, potentially accelerating a relative shift of power toward China.
This is why USA tries currently to afraid us.
What are we waiting to close their military bases ?
NATO needs to be disolved or expunge the US. Pick whatever one that leads to a European defense force. Europe also needs to step away from American made defense material.
The US cannot be trusted at this point and it will take decades to regain that trust.
Europe is still sleeping I guess
Article is already out of date as GB France Dental and Her will provide trips to Greenland.
It’s already begun. Boycott all American products and services.
Go into Ukraine, bring them into Europe. Use their experience to prepare for potential another aggression.
it’s regrettable when the „a“ in ally turns into „bu“
It wasn’t for the lack of warning from many people. Can we finally take care of our defense and industry or will we continue to pretend that of all the places in the world, it’s Europe who lacks the money to invest in its own survival? That BS lead us to where we are. Will we continue?
I remember when I posted a few weeks ago where I wrote that the US is not only no ally anymore, but an enemy, I was accused of „watching to many movies“ by 3 Americans in this sub…
Over 5000 posts and 351k karma speaks for itself. Mods need to stop these fearmongering/doomsday fanatics.
Western Europe was freeloading for too long, now meet the wrath of the new mighty POTUS.
Europe has to ban all social media from the US. Reddit included. I know it is hypocritical.
If you think Russian disinformation is bad, wait what the US could be doing. They have the monopoly of information in the West. One after another the states of Europe will fall into the hands of right wingers and they will try to destroy the EU from within.
Europe, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, as well as US strategic partners, must bolster their military and defense capabilities as fast as they can across the entire spectrum of conflict. The same applies to trade and economic issues. Trump’s America has no allies. It has no strategic partners.
Europe, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, as well as US strategic partners, must bolster their military and defense capabilities as fast as they can across the entire spectrum of conflict. The same applies to trade and economic issues. Trump’s America has no allies. It has no strategic partners.
Its a change in world order. Europe needs to get its act together. Total security eg including borders. Look at germany trying to get conscrption going. Its scary. There’s maybe no way they can get a homogeneous force.
The way this is going, soon our best friend will be Russia.
> it’s ‚dangerous to be America’s enemy‘ but ‚fatal‘ to be its friend
Premptive strike on usa greenland bases? To ease the tension.
What really irks me is these morons claiming for 10+ years now that cooperation is woke amd might makes right and that’s why NATO is doomed.
But the only reason why NATO is shaking is THEM!!! They are the ones doing it!!!!!!!
Trumps tail is wagging the dog. This is his method to spin up debate while he sits back and watches and looks for ways to assert his will while other people create the opening.
Trump sees a tri-polar world where America, Russia, China dominate their regions . He wants the EU to break up so it’s easier for America and Russia to bully individual nations. Be amazed if NATO is still standing it’s current form by the end of Trump. Europe needs to wise up. The world has changed.
Well Europe seems to be full of naive idiots, obviously everyone cares primarily for their own interests. Sometimes they align with others so alliances, deals and such are formed. But things change and in the end it’s everyone for themselves.
But there seems to be a ton of exaggeration online for political reasons likely. Looking at reddit front page gives such a hysterical impression about everything as if war is on and civil war as well..
We did warn you, and you said we were overreacting. 🇨🇦
Remember how easily we Europeans bent-over over the tariffs? Yeah, that was just Trump testing us. We lost then and there
Europe has done so little over the last three decades to shore up an independent and self-sufficient strategic plan that didn’t assume continuity of US foreign policy. The collective negligence in this regard, despite the numerous warnings and pleas from strategy think tanks, borders on recklessly criminal.
Even now, with the US being absolutely crystal clear about their position and their intentions (and even fulfilling those intentions in real time), Europe remains committed to a ‚watch, see, discuss‘ approach.
Europe will be the 21st century’s takers. As in, they will take what little they are given by the major powers and they’ll be begrudgingly thankful for it.
Of course. This should have been clear for years since W Bush. The US is growing more and more unstable to the point that the occasional Dem administration won’t have enough time in 4 years to clean things up even if they had the willingness.
Here’s a lesson in how putting more and more executive powers on one man is not the best idea…