They can fine it a trillion if they want, it’s meaningless. They’ll never be able to collect it, the site and its operators aren’t based here.
existentialgoof on
As usual, the people who made the deliberate choice to access that forum and sought out the information are being treated as though they had no agency at all and were passively „killed“, in order to justify extending the reach of the nanny state into people’s private lives and transactions.
Our society infantilises the suicidal in this way by lumping all of them into this monolithic group of „vulnerable“ people who can’t think for themselves or make their own decisions (despite the fact that suicide has been a contentious subject in philosophy since forever) and threatens them with being detained indefinitely under the mental health act in order to „help“ them, and then everyone is surprised when this drives them into echo chambers online, which are the only places that they won’t be patronised and invalidated.
CareerLow1034 on
18mil fine???? Its always about money……. just shut the cunt down! Its the blind leading the blind.
CandleAffectionate25 on
What’s the point in fining them an unrealistic sum of money? They need to restrain them and serious psychiatric help.
evilplansandstuff on
Ofcom seem to think they’re the world police lately.
UnfortunateWah on
And yet at the same time the Assisted Dying bill is in the House of Lords.
I have unwavering empathy for people who reach a stage in their life where they feel ending it is the best thing they can do, but it is inconsistent to threaten fines against a website for telling people how best to end it when at the same time we are looking to introduce a bill that will allow people the agency to end their life if they choose.
We either decide those who wish to end their life are either making a deliberate choice and have agency over their actions, or we decide they are vulnerable people incapable of making their own decisions and then we detain and treat them under mental health acts.
Fohqul on
If this is the site I’m thinking about, they already block access to anyone visiting in the UK returning 451 Unavailable for Legal Reasons; you have to enable a VPN to even access it. Why does Ofcom continue to harass this forum when this forum already does the most it can not to infringe on UK law by just not providing service here?
Edit after reading through the article: Christ, the characterisation of this site as consisting of „sinister people who prey on the vulnerable“ is in itself so disingenuous.
The users of this forum are, generally speaking, all on the same wavelength. There is no split between predatory monsters who assist and encourage suicide, and vulnerable angels who are taken advantage of by the former – by and large, this community is comprised of people with various mental health issues, often suicidality, who believe (thanks to their own experiences!) that individuals should have the right to die, so they assist each other in pursuing that goal.
Presenting it as this black-and-white split between good and bad oversimplifies, misrepresents and harms the understanding of this group of people. Whilst I’m sure there are some psychopaths who go on this forum to assist suicide out of their own sadism, the vast majority of the users assisting other members are themselves suicidal – and they’re able to give this assistance because they have themselves researched how to take their own lives. That includes those presented as „vulnerable“ in this article, and in doing so it whitewashes their morality at least in the eyes of those who disagree with this practice (although I can’t speak for any given individuals named in it).
The „poison“ this article refers to is (if I’ve identified it correctly) promoted by this forum precisely because it is a comparatively peaceful and non-distressful method, and one which can easily be backed out of with no permanent damage done. The culture of this forum is very much pro-choice, and urges those with doubts not to go through with their plans if they aren’t entirely certain, and they warn against taking test doses not intended to actually be fatal because even those are extremely dangerous. All of that indicates that this is just one group of people who, due to their own suicidality, can empathise with other suicidal people and so assist each other in their common goal.
But that kind of nuance and understanding is the last thing this article would ever touch.
Own_Championship8585 on
I’m certain the unnamed site is Sanctioned Suicide. As someone who has browsed it a lot, it actually helped me. It gave me options for suicide, sure, but reading people’s stories also helped me see how they got out of their issues and gave me options to continue on living.
Screw this censorship nonsense.
gpowerf on
The people concerned are based in Huntsville, Alabama. I honestly don’t think British authorities have a hope in hell of them paying the fine. Imagine if you got a fine from the government of Tuvalu… would you even be bothered?
Chase_Norton on
Purely political theatre. The company will NEVER pay £18M, they’ll get blocked in the UK (which won’t matter due to most people here being on a VPN anyway), and that’ll be that.
NotThatNeurotic on
If this is the site I believe it is it’s had the UK completely blocked since last year.
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They can fine it a trillion if they want, it’s meaningless. They’ll never be able to collect it, the site and its operators aren’t based here.
As usual, the people who made the deliberate choice to access that forum and sought out the information are being treated as though they had no agency at all and were passively „killed“, in order to justify extending the reach of the nanny state into people’s private lives and transactions.
Our society infantilises the suicidal in this way by lumping all of them into this monolithic group of „vulnerable“ people who can’t think for themselves or make their own decisions (despite the fact that suicide has been a contentious subject in philosophy since forever) and threatens them with being detained indefinitely under the mental health act in order to „help“ them, and then everyone is surprised when this drives them into echo chambers online, which are the only places that they won’t be patronised and invalidated.
18mil fine???? Its always about money……. just shut the cunt down! Its the blind leading the blind.
What’s the point in fining them an unrealistic sum of money? They need to restrain them and serious psychiatric help.
Ofcom seem to think they’re the world police lately.
And yet at the same time the Assisted Dying bill is in the House of Lords.
I have unwavering empathy for people who reach a stage in their life where they feel ending it is the best thing they can do, but it is inconsistent to threaten fines against a website for telling people how best to end it when at the same time we are looking to introduce a bill that will allow people the agency to end their life if they choose.
We either decide those who wish to end their life are either making a deliberate choice and have agency over their actions, or we decide they are vulnerable people incapable of making their own decisions and then we detain and treat them under mental health acts.
If this is the site I’m thinking about, they already block access to anyone visiting in the UK returning 451 Unavailable for Legal Reasons; you have to enable a VPN to even access it. Why does Ofcom continue to harass this forum when this forum already does the most it can not to infringe on UK law by just not providing service here?
Edit after reading through the article: Christ, the characterisation of this site as consisting of „sinister people who prey on the vulnerable“ is in itself so disingenuous.
The users of this forum are, generally speaking, all on the same wavelength. There is no split between predatory monsters who assist and encourage suicide, and vulnerable angels who are taken advantage of by the former – by and large, this community is comprised of people with various mental health issues, often suicidality, who believe (thanks to their own experiences!) that individuals should have the right to die, so they assist each other in pursuing that goal.
Presenting it as this black-and-white split between good and bad oversimplifies, misrepresents and harms the understanding of this group of people. Whilst I’m sure there are some psychopaths who go on this forum to assist suicide out of their own sadism, the vast majority of the users assisting other members are themselves suicidal – and they’re able to give this assistance because they have themselves researched how to take their own lives. That includes those presented as „vulnerable“ in this article, and in doing so it whitewashes their morality at least in the eyes of those who disagree with this practice (although I can’t speak for any given individuals named in it).
The „poison“ this article refers to is (if I’ve identified it correctly) promoted by this forum precisely because it is a comparatively peaceful and non-distressful method, and one which can easily be backed out of with no permanent damage done. The culture of this forum is very much pro-choice, and urges those with doubts not to go through with their plans if they aren’t entirely certain, and they warn against taking test doses not intended to actually be fatal because even those are extremely dangerous. All of that indicates that this is just one group of people who, due to their own suicidality, can empathise with other suicidal people and so assist each other in their common goal.
But that kind of nuance and understanding is the last thing this article would ever touch.
I’m certain the unnamed site is Sanctioned Suicide. As someone who has browsed it a lot, it actually helped me. It gave me options for suicide, sure, but reading people’s stories also helped me see how they got out of their issues and gave me options to continue on living.
Screw this censorship nonsense.
The people concerned are based in Huntsville, Alabama. I honestly don’t think British authorities have a hope in hell of them paying the fine. Imagine if you got a fine from the government of Tuvalu… would you even be bothered?
Purely political theatre. The company will NEVER pay £18M, they’ll get blocked in the UK (which won’t matter due to most people here being on a VPN anyway), and that’ll be that.
If this is the site I believe it is it’s had the UK completely blocked since last year.