Eby sagt, Kanada sollte angesichts der Unsicherheit über Ölsande Raffinerien und keine Pipelines bauen
https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article/eby-says-canada-should-build-refineries-not-pipelines-amid-oilsands-uncertainty/
Eby sagt, Kanada sollte angesichts der Unsicherheit über Ölsande Raffinerien und keine Pipelines bauen
https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article/eby-says-canada-should-build-refineries-not-pipelines-amid-oilsands-uncertainty/
26 Kommentare
how do we get refined oil to market Eby? TMX is at 85% capacity and 99% committed contracted capacity
Hasn’t this been proven to be considerably less economical than building a pipeline?
Can we and should we not have always do both?
We have all the resources in the world, oil, minerals, lumber, why the fuck are we so fucking poor and stupid about it?
With our population and then resources we have how the fuck did we fuck it all up so bad?
This is the way to be honest, but no company is standing in line to invest in Canada to build a refinery. You not only need immense capital investment, you also need to comply with the regulations that keep changing, and even then, the pipeline itself is not guaranteed.
What company would invest in that uncertainty, when they can invest in refineries elsewhere?
Asian markets already have refining logistics and capacity set up, and it’s just economical to send crude to them and utilize their established efficiencies and scale to refine.
We should both Eby – don’t be a putz.
Don’t we still need pipelines in both scenarios?
Why not build pipelines and refineries I am sure as a nation we have the capacity to do more than one thing.
Well for 1 we are a net exporter of refined product already
Unless Canada reduces red tape, it’ll never happen.
We need both, otherwise the oil is stuck here or stuck going through the states
Jesu Christ, BUILD BOTH!!!
And where do we send that refined oil?
We just sold the refinery in vancouver (owned by parkland) to a US company like a few months ago.
How about have some balls and called that out to elbow up if you want local refinery.
So…. We’d refine the oil and then not be able to sell it to anyone but the US, who we are trying to diversify away from? How does that make even the slightest lick of sense?
K but the issue with refineries is that their produce has a shelf life. So we’d need a market for it and we already have enough refineries to handle our consumption but for some reason its easier to ship oil south and gas north.
Now if we want to turn Canadian oil into Canadian gasoline we need to nationalize the industry or sections of the industry. Otherwise we are going to continue to wait and see what the private american owned companies do.
Do both, and build nuclear reactors aswell. I’d be okay with my tax dollars doing all of those things
He’s not wrong…but we need pipelines too.
Time to sell our goods globally.
I like Eby but this seems silly. If we must make money from oil then so be it, but don’t throw it away on a refinery that is only useful for domestic use.
Just get rid of the stuff as fast as we can so we can move on from it.
And stop selling our refineries to american companies….
How do we get the oil to the refineries, David?
Investing in building refineries is a losing game for Canada. Refined petroleum products are not a competitive high volume export, almost every major market Canada want’s to sell to just wants crude (the raw stuff), since they refine it at home.
This means that the refineries would be built primarily just to service domestic demand, since they won’t be creating much export volume.
But, as a country **Canada ALREADY refines more oil than it consumes**, thus there’s basically no real market case for this plan Eby wants; unless Canada actually goes through with their century initiative plan and creates a giant domestic consumer economy of 100+ million people (so, the answer is no).
Refined product also has a limited shelf life, making it more of a logistical hurdle due to shipping constraints, unlike crude which lasts forever
Also, refineries are INSANELY expensive with massive upfront costs. The reality with oil is, in 2 decades, this shit might not even be a margin creating export anymore as green/solar/nuclear energy expansion starts growing exponentially in Asia. That means theres a legitimate case where the refineries we create, let alone not even being needed for domestic demand, might NEVER pay themselves off.
YES, BUILD ALL THE REFINERIES!!
Eby says we should make love not war and sit around weaving macrame.
The problem with Eby is he’s a man enslaved by ideology.
It’s okay to be principled, but principle and practice are two very different beasts.
He should be considering every other aspect of the world around him. Canada must be economically viable to survive the coming storm. He can be a good man and stand by values, but risk losing all ability to maintain those values in the next election, or be a good Premier and default on some of those values, but maintain the majority of those values into another election.
How the fuck do you think we’re going to get the oil to the refineries, Dave? Do you think it just teleports there like a video game? Or would you rather it go by rail and risk another Lac Megantic disaster?
Pipelines are the safest, fastest, and most efficient way we have to transport oil, and oil needs to be refined relatively close to where it’s going to be used. We need pipelines to accomplish that.
Canada is the biggest looser with what’s happening on Venezuela. The US refineries are designed built to refine sour oil. They were buying our oils to mix it with their domestic oil so they can refine it. Now they will get endless supply of Sour oil from Venezuela, and there isn’t much need to buy Canadian oil.
We HAVE to build refineries asap and start selling refined end product to the US because the economics will make little sense to the US refineries very soon and they WILL stop buying Canadian Crude