> “**[The U.S. is] not seen as reliable anymore**… European countries are going to have to accept responsibility for their own security. **I think we, the U.S., we’re going to regret this for a long time, the lost trust.**
Tomatoflee on
There is not much we can do, mate. Americans need to take their country back from evil billionaires. We should kick out their social media platforms and make our own tech companies asap.
Dry_Row_7050 on
It is ironic that the intelligence Denmark illegally gathered about Europeans on behalf of the US is now likely being used by the US against Denmark itself.
Right. Time to „seize“ Murica’s president, is that what he’s saying?
Candid_Koala_3602 on
Capturing dictators. So hot right now
_Razeft_ on
it’s time for Europe to become independent from USA, is time for us to move on. EU need to do something to make brand start to create even smartphone, laptopt, and all new techs we use, and even to create our space in internet like ASIA, where they have their local social and app and not only the American one, is time to Europe to move on and stop to let everything to USA
Lopsided-Affect-9649 on
The US helped Europe out through its fascist crises and helped shield us from Russia for decades, we should be open to helping them in return. The problem is that they don’t seem to have any leadership over there, just a bunch of politicians pointing out the obvious, which makes providing assistance pretty fucking difficult.
Known_Limit_6904 on
Lol no, put your big boy pants on and deal with this tyranny like you guys have always said you would 🤨
Major_Bag_8720 on
So back to the Cold War. Western Europe will revert to being US vassal states and Russia will dominate Eastern Europe again. We have to stop this from happening. EU, I’m British and I’m with you. Brexit was a horrible mistake.
iamrobotjeans on
I say this as an American proudly living in Europe for 16 years. Europe needs to ask it’s self, what does the US really do for you, what do you get out of it? The answer is not much, maybe some security agreements in the past. Those are gone and I doubt they will ever come back and even if they did come back the American population has shown that it is so fickle it only takes 1 election to pull those promises away. It’s time to make yourself a global power not to be fucked with. 20th Century belonged to America, now make the 21st Century yours.
Truffely on
I know some people from the us and most have a strict „no politics“ rule. But maybe the Trump administration is more open to some feedback from Europe lol
JustDracir on
Time to use that stupid gunlaw in case of stupid government.
Thats what that amament thing was made for.
Skeng_in_Suit on
US’s worst enemy is itself. It’ll never be invaded nor conquered, it can only crumble on itself, and it has slowly started
GilroySmash1986 on
With how things are going with the U.S. whenever theres „talks“ between them and the E.U. I’m expecting to hear „the Rains of Castamere“ at any moment. Trust has completely evaporated.
jhwheuer on
If Congress doesn’t step up soon, the USA has been transformed into a dictatorship.
Eogard on
US need the us citizen to learn what protesting really mean.
Much-Jackfruit2599 on
For a moment I read this as “The US needs to save Europe from [Europe] itself”
No-Tomatillo3698 on
How about the military draw a line themselves?
MrBami on
Americans hoarded all their guns for this exact moment right? Something about tyranical government and such?
Paradoxjjw on
No, the US needs to save itself from itself. After all Trump has been doing the opposition’s stance is „sure fuck it we’ll vote to do whatever he wants“. You can’t save someone that doesn’t want to be saved.
CharterJet50 on
Retired military need to all come out with the same message: that an order to take Greenland would be an illegal order and should not be followed. Put republicans in congress and force a vote on a bill that explicitly prohibits an attack or annexation of any sort. If republicans refuse, then it’s crystal clear their intentions, and Democrats should shut the government down end of January. Stop funding this monster. It’s the only way.
d1ngal1ng on
The current American monster could never have existed without so many decades of European subservience. Europe should always have been counterbalance to American power.
R3dscarf on
Why would we? If Americans can’t even be bothered to show the slightest bit of resistance then they’re clearly fine with what’s happening to their country.
UnholyLizard65 on
>“Europe, for too long, has assumed that the United States would provide all of its protection.
Am I misremembering it or was it the US itself that pushed for weak European armies?
Edit: I should have said *pulled* instead of *pushed*. As in *pulled* the strings to make it happen.
CB4R on
The loss of soft power is insanely big and I don’t think trump and his circle even understand the value of it. The USA had such a big power projection and control through it and it all just crumbles away so quickly under such a predident
Pitipitibum2 on
The only positive thing is that due to the lack of finesse in actions we see what US foreign policy really looks like. For that, we thank Trump. For us, there is likely no going back. And now the question: is there a way out beyond federalization?
You are not gong to die without these apps. If you give a crap about Europe, delete those apps. You do not need them. No one needs them.
JoLeTrembleur on
Since it’s morally impossible to be allied with a pirate country, NATO died 3 days ago. And make no mistake, Trump and his clique did it just for that.
NIDORAX on
The United States is going to become like the late Roman Empire where rampant corruption and excessive spending split the empire apart and caused the country to collapse.
Ill-Orchid-5000 on
British here. If our wet fart leader Starmer would have pulled 1% of Trumps shit he would have been out a long time ago. This is all on the American population who are are looking out for themselves. There should be 20 million of you on the streets to get him out but you aren’t it’s pathetic.
I can’t even watch American shows or films seriously anymore . I now look at America as weak built on a myth of strength . Why are all your ex marines, ex fbi , ex cia keeping quiet where are all your supposed Rambos??. Why are you all turning a blind eye.
FamousChallenge3469 on
Looks like Retired general Hodges will soon be on active duty again and reduced in rank to private with a Letter of Censure added to his records.
Glittering_Watch5565 on
No, THE WORLDNEEDS TO SAVE ITSELF FROMAMERICA!!!!
EconomyCauliflower43 on
I should point out that this general retired to live in Germany so he probably has a better world view than most Americans.
darthmahel on
As an Austrlaian in my late 20s I have accepted I’ll never get a chance to go to the US. With everything collapsing in it it feels about as safe going to Russia or Saudi Arabia as an openly gay man.
It’s sickening to see a one great ally turn into a feral, child SAing beast. The fact it seems viable we could need to view the US as an enemy in my lifetime and them to be untrusted for at least 12 years after the current POS in office is gone sickens me. It’ll take at least 3 good meaning and effective presidents to get people to even consider making nice with them.
The world is truely a scary place and I’ve honestly never felt more afraid about the world and life in general. Historical times and watching a massive nation’s spiral decay/ decline is horrible to be apart of.
GrannyFlash7373 on
That statement may have veracity, but………..there is too much complacency and ambivalence all over the world right now, and getting the EU and/or NATO to do ANYTHING, would be out of the question. Countries all have their own snakes to kill, and their citizens to feed and keep warm and healthy, to expend blood and treasure on fighting Donald Trump’s whims and fancies. And until he poses a direct THREAT to their ***sovereignty, they will do nothing, and Trump is keenly aware of this.***
Kheldras on
So, commando raid on Mar-a-Lago, and bring the war criminal to The Hague?
WollemiaShagger on
I asked my American friend what he thought about the whole situation with Maduro being taken. He said he hadn’t even heard about it and that the news wasn’t reporting on it.
Drakar_och_demoner on
Nah, Americans needs to save themselves. They need to get rid of the neo nazis and the elite billionare class because the rot runs so deep within American culture.
Redtoolbox1 on
Actually that is what our congress is supposed to do but they are sitting on the sidelines
BoulderMaker on
American here: I feel like Europe has been living in La La Land and was oblivious to real geopolitical threats until Russia invaded Ukraine.
America is caught in the grips of a ultra-right wing populist authoritarian movement. Europe needs to rapidly arm themselves and build up the capacity to defend their freedom and way of life.
I admire the EU in so many ways, but it’s absolutely pathetic that the EU with 400 million people and $19 TN in GDP is reliant on the US to repel an attack from Russia–a corrupt nation with 144 million people and just $2 TN in GDP.
SinisterCheese on
Like what do they want us to do in practice? The USA government can banish people from moden world by forcing the fintech, banks, and technology companies shitlist people – like they already did with the judges that forced fines on Twitter – and they are excluded from internet and banking for good. And EU is still totally dependant on USA technologyn and software, and our companies are slow and unwilling to understand that they need to shift… whether it is FreeBSD, Linux, or god damn back to pen and paper, we can’t trust USA anymore. Just like we couldn’t trust Russia in terms of energy. And we knew that Russia was unreliable! We know USA is unrealiable!
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> “**[The U.S. is] not seen as reliable anymore**… European countries are going to have to accept responsibility for their own security. **I think we, the U.S., we’re going to regret this for a long time, the lost trust.**
There is not much we can do, mate. Americans need to take their country back from evil billionaires. We should kick out their social media platforms and make our own tech companies asap.
It is ironic that the intelligence Denmark illegally gathered about Europeans on behalf of the US is now likely being used by the US against Denmark itself.
BBC, 2021: [NSA spying row: Denmark accused of helping US spy on European officials](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806)
Right. Time to „seize“ Murica’s president, is that what he’s saying?
Capturing dictators. So hot right now
it’s time for Europe to become independent from USA, is time for us to move on. EU need to do something to make brand start to create even smartphone, laptopt, and all new techs we use, and even to create our space in internet like ASIA, where they have their local social and app and not only the American one, is time to Europe to move on and stop to let everything to USA
The US helped Europe out through its fascist crises and helped shield us from Russia for decades, we should be open to helping them in return. The problem is that they don’t seem to have any leadership over there, just a bunch of politicians pointing out the obvious, which makes providing assistance pretty fucking difficult.
Lol no, put your big boy pants on and deal with this tyranny like you guys have always said you would 🤨
So back to the Cold War. Western Europe will revert to being US vassal states and Russia will dominate Eastern Europe again. We have to stop this from happening. EU, I’m British and I’m with you. Brexit was a horrible mistake.
I say this as an American proudly living in Europe for 16 years. Europe needs to ask it’s self, what does the US really do for you, what do you get out of it? The answer is not much, maybe some security agreements in the past. Those are gone and I doubt they will ever come back and even if they did come back the American population has shown that it is so fickle it only takes 1 election to pull those promises away. It’s time to make yourself a global power not to be fucked with. 20th Century belonged to America, now make the 21st Century yours.
I know some people from the us and most have a strict „no politics“ rule. But maybe the Trump administration is more open to some feedback from Europe lol
Time to use that stupid gunlaw in case of stupid government.
Thats what that amament thing was made for.
US’s worst enemy is itself. It’ll never be invaded nor conquered, it can only crumble on itself, and it has slowly started
With how things are going with the U.S. whenever theres „talks“ between them and the E.U. I’m expecting to hear „the Rains of Castamere“ at any moment. Trust has completely evaporated.
If Congress doesn’t step up soon, the USA has been transformed into a dictatorship.
US need the us citizen to learn what protesting really mean.
For a moment I read this as “The US needs to save Europe from [Europe] itself”
How about the military draw a line themselves?
Americans hoarded all their guns for this exact moment right? Something about tyranical government and such?
No, the US needs to save itself from itself. After all Trump has been doing the opposition’s stance is „sure fuck it we’ll vote to do whatever he wants“. You can’t save someone that doesn’t want to be saved.
Retired military need to all come out with the same message: that an order to take Greenland would be an illegal order and should not be followed. Put republicans in congress and force a vote on a bill that explicitly prohibits an attack or annexation of any sort. If republicans refuse, then it’s crystal clear their intentions, and Democrats should shut the government down end of January. Stop funding this monster. It’s the only way.
The current American monster could never have existed without so many decades of European subservience. Europe should always have been counterbalance to American power.
Why would we? If Americans can’t even be bothered to show the slightest bit of resistance then they’re clearly fine with what’s happening to their country.
>“Europe, for too long, has assumed that the United States would provide all of its protection.
Am I misremembering it or was it the US itself that pushed for weak European armies?
Edit: I should have said *pulled* instead of *pushed*. As in *pulled* the strings to make it happen.
The loss of soft power is insanely big and I don’t think trump and his circle even understand the value of it. The USA had such a big power projection and control through it and it all just crumbles away so quickly under such a predident
The only positive thing is that due to the lack of finesse in actions we see what US foreign policy really looks like. For that, we thank Trump. For us, there is likely no going back. And now the question: is there a way out beyond federalization?
Also, delete X. Delete Facebook. Delete Whatsapp. Delete Threads. Delete TikTok.
You are not gong to die without these apps. If you give a crap about Europe, delete those apps. You do not need them. No one needs them.
Since it’s morally impossible to be allied with a pirate country, NATO died 3 days ago. And make no mistake, Trump and his clique did it just for that.
The United States is going to become like the late Roman Empire where rampant corruption and excessive spending split the empire apart and caused the country to collapse.
British here. If our wet fart leader Starmer would have pulled 1% of Trumps shit he would have been out a long time ago. This is all on the American population who are are looking out for themselves. There should be 20 million of you on the streets to get him out but you aren’t it’s pathetic.
I can’t even watch American shows or films seriously anymore . I now look at America as weak built on a myth of strength . Why are all your ex marines, ex fbi , ex cia keeping quiet where are all your supposed Rambos??. Why are you all turning a blind eye.
Looks like Retired general Hodges will soon be on active duty again and reduced in rank to private with a Letter of Censure added to his records.
No, THE WORLDNEEDS TO SAVE ITSELF FROMAMERICA!!!!
I should point out that this general retired to live in Germany so he probably has a better world view than most Americans.
As an Austrlaian in my late 20s I have accepted I’ll never get a chance to go to the US. With everything collapsing in it it feels about as safe going to Russia or Saudi Arabia as an openly gay man.
It’s sickening to see a one great ally turn into a feral, child SAing beast. The fact it seems viable we could need to view the US as an enemy in my lifetime and them to be untrusted for at least 12 years after the current POS in office is gone sickens me. It’ll take at least 3 good meaning and effective presidents to get people to even consider making nice with them.
The world is truely a scary place and I’ve honestly never felt more afraid about the world and life in general. Historical times and watching a massive nation’s spiral decay/ decline is horrible to be apart of.
That statement may have veracity, but………..there is too much complacency and ambivalence all over the world right now, and getting the EU and/or NATO to do ANYTHING, would be out of the question. Countries all have their own snakes to kill, and their citizens to feed and keep warm and healthy, to expend blood and treasure on fighting Donald Trump’s whims and fancies. And until he poses a direct THREAT to their ***sovereignty, they will do nothing, and Trump is keenly aware of this.***
So, commando raid on Mar-a-Lago, and bring the war criminal to The Hague?
I asked my American friend what he thought about the whole situation with Maduro being taken. He said he hadn’t even heard about it and that the news wasn’t reporting on it.
Nah, Americans needs to save themselves. They need to get rid of the neo nazis and the elite billionare class because the rot runs so deep within American culture.
Actually that is what our congress is supposed to do but they are sitting on the sidelines
American here: I feel like Europe has been living in La La Land and was oblivious to real geopolitical threats until Russia invaded Ukraine.
America is caught in the grips of a ultra-right wing populist authoritarian movement. Europe needs to rapidly arm themselves and build up the capacity to defend their freedom and way of life.
I admire the EU in so many ways, but it’s absolutely pathetic that the EU with 400 million people and $19 TN in GDP is reliant on the US to repel an attack from Russia–a corrupt nation with 144 million people and just $2 TN in GDP.
Like what do they want us to do in practice? The USA government can banish people from moden world by forcing the fintech, banks, and technology companies shitlist people – like they already did with the judges that forced fines on Twitter – and they are excluded from internet and banking for good. And EU is still totally dependant on USA technologyn and software, and our companies are slow and unwilling to understand that they need to shift… whether it is FreeBSD, Linux, or god damn back to pen and paper, we can’t trust USA anymore. Just like we couldn’t trust Russia in terms of energy. And we knew that Russia was unreliable! We know USA is unrealiable!