TIL Egyptians are considered white. And northern sub saharian people
IAmLegallyRetarded_ on
It’s quite interesting why Middle Easterns became „white“ in the USA. It all traces back to a single lawsuit from 1915 [Dow v. United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_v._United_States). Syrian lawyers used the good old American racism against the USA themselves.
It sounds like a joke, but their argument was basically *“If we are not white, then Jesus is not white. Are you sure your lord and saviour Jesus Christ is not white?“*. They won the case, and this allows Syrians to get some of that sweet white privilege.
OwlSings on
A lot of South Asians have European ancestry too. Early anthropologists classified North Indian groups alongside Persians and Arabs as Caucasians.
Ready--Player--Uno on
Yes, racial lines weren’t as „sophisticated“ back then. But even so, I actually have no problems with this. Some of the people in these places do look White. After all, they either literally or practically border Europe, and/or have had millenia-long interactions (mixing) with them.
Unironically, I think the government should have kept this definition. And instead of adding a new racial category for Middle Easterners and North Africans, they could have added these as a second option under „ethnicity“, allowing the racial question to be answered however one wanted to. And if there are those who identify more closely to the ethnicity itself, then maybe alongside the ethnicity question we could have also added new racial categories that adequately and respectfully describe some of these cultures (e.g. Berber, Maghrebi, Arab, Levantine, Central Asian, etc.)
Smmmmiles on
Real answer. White is a goofy label that changes over years depending on political tide. White used to exclude Catholics lol. Now it kinda just encompasses all traditionally christian European adjacent people. Like how Armenians are considered white but not Turkish people. (Some people of argue Turks are white.)
Whiteness as in pale skin appears in any groups that lives far enough north for long enough. Skin colour acts more as a gradient centered around the equator. That’s how East Asians have pale skin even though they don’t have much European DNA. (Biggest factor in generational skin colour change is how much sunshine you and your ancestors got throughout their lives.)
suffelix on
What is white in the US, definitely isn’t white where I come from. 😛
365BlobbyGirl on
Kinda shows how the entire concept is bullshit really
King_Kvnt on
Yeah, that’s about right.
Big-Box-Mart on
You mean we’ve been bombing white people this whole time?!?!
I need a minute.
antontupy on
Joined these countries would truly be a power
Jumpy-Truth4092 on
Turks are white
Lex4709 on
To be honest, while racial categories are obviously pseudoscientific bullshit; if we were forced to divide humanity up into races, this always made way more sense to me than separating up Europeans from Middle Easterns and North Africans.
Jaded-Natural80 on
I went to the World Cup in St. Petersburg 2018. I watched the Iran and Morocco game. All the Moroccans were darker than the Americans of Mexican heritage in my neighborhood back in the United States.
But, whatever.
VaultGuy1995 on
By this logic, you might as well include Indians, since the Indo-European languages are all connected.
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TIL Egyptians are considered white. And northern sub saharian people
It’s quite interesting why Middle Easterns became „white“ in the USA. It all traces back to a single lawsuit from 1915 [Dow v. United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_v._United_States). Syrian lawyers used the good old American racism against the USA themselves.
It sounds like a joke, but their argument was basically *“If we are not white, then Jesus is not white. Are you sure your lord and saviour Jesus Christ is not white?“*. They won the case, and this allows Syrians to get some of that sweet white privilege.
A lot of South Asians have European ancestry too. Early anthropologists classified North Indian groups alongside Persians and Arabs as Caucasians.
Yes, racial lines weren’t as „sophisticated“ back then. But even so, I actually have no problems with this. Some of the people in these places do look White. After all, they either literally or practically border Europe, and/or have had millenia-long interactions (mixing) with them.
Unironically, I think the government should have kept this definition. And instead of adding a new racial category for Middle Easterners and North Africans, they could have added these as a second option under „ethnicity“, allowing the racial question to be answered however one wanted to. And if there are those who identify more closely to the ethnicity itself, then maybe alongside the ethnicity question we could have also added new racial categories that adequately and respectfully describe some of these cultures (e.g. Berber, Maghrebi, Arab, Levantine, Central Asian, etc.)
Real answer. White is a goofy label that changes over years depending on political tide. White used to exclude Catholics lol. Now it kinda just encompasses all traditionally christian European adjacent people. Like how Armenians are considered white but not Turkish people. (Some people of argue Turks are white.)
Whiteness as in pale skin appears in any groups that lives far enough north for long enough. Skin colour acts more as a gradient centered around the equator. That’s how East Asians have pale skin even though they don’t have much European DNA. (Biggest factor in generational skin colour change is how much sunshine you and your ancestors got throughout their lives.)
What is white in the US, definitely isn’t white where I come from. 😛
Kinda shows how the entire concept is bullshit really
Yeah, that’s about right.
You mean we’ve been bombing white people this whole time?!?!
I need a minute.
Joined these countries would truly be a power
Turks are white
To be honest, while racial categories are obviously pseudoscientific bullshit; if we were forced to divide humanity up into races, this always made way more sense to me than separating up Europeans from Middle Easterns and North Africans.
I went to the World Cup in St. Petersburg 2018. I watched the Iran and Morocco game. All the Moroccans were darker than the Americans of Mexican heritage in my neighborhood back in the United States.
But, whatever.
By this logic, you might as well include Indians, since the Indo-European languages are all connected.