The more we strengthen our ties with europe and asia now, the better off we will be when the US sorts their shit out.
Fluid_Lingonberry467 on
lol goodby 30% of jobs
TheSleepyTruth on
On the contrary the majority, over 80% of Canadian goods flowing to the US, are still tariff free under CUSMA. I’d hardly call that free trade being dead.
glowe on
Pretty sure we know this.
berong on
Not all bad news—if free trade fades, some manufacturing could actually come back to Canada. Shorter supply chains, less offshoring, more domestic jobs. Painful transition, but not zero upside.
WinstonJaye on
Well, it was nice while it lasted, but fortunately, we are now strengthening ties with other countries. Trust me, it will turn out better for all, in lieu of depending on that U.S. crap.
YourOverlords on
No it isn’t. There is still 80-90% of goods flowing without tariffs. This is a bullshit opinion piece by some finger squeezer. Tiresome.
Trussed_Up on
But it’s quite literally not. Most of our trade is still free.
Diversifying our trade is wise and necessary. But throwing up our hands and refusing to play ball at all might seem satisfying, but it would be ludicrously stupid.
And everything passes with time. Free trade between western countries is nearly self evidently good. It takes someone so far stuck up their own ass they can’t see straight to not know it. Which is why the present administration in the US doesn’t know. But it won’t always be present. And then we can go back to a little sanity.
noBbatteries on
I think we’ve accepted that when the whole elbows up thing was super trendy. America is only an ally to us out of their own convenience, and given they’ve voted in an insanely narcissistic pedo, wannabe dictator twice; they can’t be seen as a reliable ally until they make changes to their democratic system to prevent something like this happening as easily as it did
JoJack82 on
I am sure Carney is aware of this fact, his public comments are trying to maintain the best relationship possible with the USA, but I am confident behind the scenes he is working to strengthen ties to more rational countries.
DrVonSchlossen on
It doesn’t seem like a big deal. The Toronto stock market has been booming since tariffs were announced.
DukeandKate on
The title of the article is certainly clickbait but as the article detail indicates, we really don’t know what will happen and should prepare for the worse – as we have been.
YeetCompleet on
For the non article readers, this isn’t about the concept of free trade being dead. This is specifically about the high chance that Trump doesn’t renew the USMCA agreement or give us any concessions on lowered tariffs.
Routine_Soup2022 on
Ever since February when this all started, it seems like Canada has been divided into two camps: The one that just wants to grit and hope things go back to normal with the American market and those who understand that a SHIFT has to happen and we need to do something different.
The first group grumbles about how hard the shift is going be. It’s true. Whole industries might disappear. Those jobs might have to turn into something else. Relationships will need to be rebuilt. Our procurement departments have gotten too cozy with their American counterparts for example (defense being a great example)
In the end, this just one big change management exercise because the change is going to come whether we wants it or not. Trump does not want any manufacturing jobs in other countries for items that the U.S. imports. He wants all of those things produced in this U.S. and exported to us. That means that he is the enemy of Canadian jobs. We cannot peg our future to his decisions. We need other avenues.
There are still going to be some who will answer me negatively here because they see task as hard, but since when have Canadians not risen to a task that was difficult when we do it together? We get through every winter.
Our current Prime Minister has it right. He’s working every phone, knocking on every door to secure new trade routes for goods manufactured in Canada. He’s even talking with other countries about manufacturing their goods here.
We can use this opportunity to transform the Canadian economy for the better. Yes it’s going to be hard. Yes, it’s going to shift some power balances. It is still the right thing to do. We have to stop bickering about it and get everyone to the table.
Individual_Step2242 on
Free trade was always dependent on a relatively benevolent US lead by the rational leaders of a solid democracy. We’ve now seen how fragile their democracy really is under a malevolent and irrational leader. Now our very sovereignty is threatened.
Maybe John Turner was prescient after all…
I_argue_for_funsies on
Canada just needs to avoid conceding on ANYTHING in hope of salvaging the relationship because once we concede we’ll never get it back.
It’s their turn to show good faith, not us. No olive branch extensions
NaturePappy on
The only free trade is for the US people who come to Canada to buy our goods
CFCYYZ on
Canada will keep its options as open as possible in these dynamic times. *So will Mexico*.
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The more we strengthen our ties with europe and asia now, the better off we will be when the US sorts their shit out.
lol goodby 30% of jobs
On the contrary the majority, over 80% of Canadian goods flowing to the US, are still tariff free under CUSMA. I’d hardly call that free trade being dead.
Pretty sure we know this.
Not all bad news—if free trade fades, some manufacturing could actually come back to Canada. Shorter supply chains, less offshoring, more domestic jobs. Painful transition, but not zero upside.
Well, it was nice while it lasted, but fortunately, we are now strengthening ties with other countries. Trust me, it will turn out better for all, in lieu of depending on that U.S. crap.
No it isn’t. There is still 80-90% of goods flowing without tariffs. This is a bullshit opinion piece by some finger squeezer. Tiresome.
But it’s quite literally not. Most of our trade is still free.
Diversifying our trade is wise and necessary. But throwing up our hands and refusing to play ball at all might seem satisfying, but it would be ludicrously stupid.
And everything passes with time. Free trade between western countries is nearly self evidently good. It takes someone so far stuck up their own ass they can’t see straight to not know it. Which is why the present administration in the US doesn’t know. But it won’t always be present. And then we can go back to a little sanity.
I think we’ve accepted that when the whole elbows up thing was super trendy. America is only an ally to us out of their own convenience, and given they’ve voted in an insanely narcissistic pedo, wannabe dictator twice; they can’t be seen as a reliable ally until they make changes to their democratic system to prevent something like this happening as easily as it did
I am sure Carney is aware of this fact, his public comments are trying to maintain the best relationship possible with the USA, but I am confident behind the scenes he is working to strengthen ties to more rational countries.
It doesn’t seem like a big deal. The Toronto stock market has been booming since tariffs were announced.
The title of the article is certainly clickbait but as the article detail indicates, we really don’t know what will happen and should prepare for the worse – as we have been.
For the non article readers, this isn’t about the concept of free trade being dead. This is specifically about the high chance that Trump doesn’t renew the USMCA agreement or give us any concessions on lowered tariffs.
Ever since February when this all started, it seems like Canada has been divided into two camps: The one that just wants to grit and hope things go back to normal with the American market and those who understand that a SHIFT has to happen and we need to do something different.
The first group grumbles about how hard the shift is going be. It’s true. Whole industries might disappear. Those jobs might have to turn into something else. Relationships will need to be rebuilt. Our procurement departments have gotten too cozy with their American counterparts for example (defense being a great example)
In the end, this just one big change management exercise because the change is going to come whether we wants it or not. Trump does not want any manufacturing jobs in other countries for items that the U.S. imports. He wants all of those things produced in this U.S. and exported to us. That means that he is the enemy of Canadian jobs. We cannot peg our future to his decisions. We need other avenues.
There are still going to be some who will answer me negatively here because they see task as hard, but since when have Canadians not risen to a task that was difficult when we do it together? We get through every winter.
Our current Prime Minister has it right. He’s working every phone, knocking on every door to secure new trade routes for goods manufactured in Canada. He’s even talking with other countries about manufacturing their goods here.
We can use this opportunity to transform the Canadian economy for the better. Yes it’s going to be hard. Yes, it’s going to shift some power balances. It is still the right thing to do. We have to stop bickering about it and get everyone to the table.
Free trade was always dependent on a relatively benevolent US lead by the rational leaders of a solid democracy. We’ve now seen how fragile their democracy really is under a malevolent and irrational leader. Now our very sovereignty is threatened.
Maybe John Turner was prescient after all…
Canada just needs to avoid conceding on ANYTHING in hope of salvaging the relationship because once we concede we’ll never get it back.
It’s their turn to show good faith, not us. No olive branch extensions
The only free trade is for the US people who come to Canada to buy our goods
Canada will keep its options as open as possible in these dynamic times. *So will Mexico*.