A pound a week, Gwen? What does she take me for, a fool? I’ll be 104 by the time it’s paid off
Jaded_Strain_3753 on
This seems like a reasonable outcome? There’s no point trying to force her to pay it quicker if she simply doesn’t have any money. She also got a suspended sentence and unpaid work.
PracticeNo8733 on
I suppose being law-abiding I don’t get the interest-free long term £16.5k loan.
SlanderousIntent on
Ha, should be a baroness and nick hundreds of millions and not pay any back.
JackStrawWitchita on
Remember, the real punishment will be having a criminal record for fraud follow her around for life. She will be turned down for jobs, she’ll be turned down by landlords, she’ll be turned down for loans, she’ll be turned down for all kinds of things, even volunteer roles, because of this conviction. Paying back the money is nothing compared to the lifelong impact of a criminal record for fraud.
She’s totally screwed over her life by doing this.
No-Dance1377 on
Just be recommended as a Baroness by the PM and never have to pay a penny. Simple
evolveandprosper on
…whereas Michelle Mone won’t have to pay back a penny of the millions she and her husband fraudulently took. Funny old world, isn’t it!
radiant_0wl on
It’s difficult to assess but the fact she’s employed should indicate that she has the means to contribute more – even if we base it on her working part time then she should have the obligation to work longer to pay her debts.
It shouldn’t be her will we (the state) bend to.
MultiMidden on
It’s people like this that are turning the ordinary working public against the welfare state and the general idea of taxation. How do you think stealing £16,500 from the taxpayer sits with the minimum wage worker whose taxes helped pay for this and knows how much trouble they’d be in for stealing £16,500? Then of course add to that the fact that this money for meant to be for for her 3 children but they’d been taken into care because she was clearly unfit to look after them.
Humans have a strong sense of injustice (even other primates like monkeys have it) don’t underestimate its power.
AnakinsAngstFace on
People are more angry about this than they are about the big companies avoiding corp tax and it’s very telling
One-Cod-5049 on
This is the true two-tier society we live in.
Middle earner? You’re held to account.
Too rich or too poor? You get a free pass.
Sickening.
mittenkrusty on
I was accused a few years back of being overpaid HB from 10 years previous and the local council even admitted they couldn’t find a record of it just a note saying I owed it and took £25 a week to pay it off.
I was on disability related UC and it caused me a lot of distress, couldn’t afford heating, food went down to bread and pasta etc.
SnooCauliflowers6739 on
+£85 fine +120 hours community work.
If I took a 16500 loan for 22 years and paid it back monthly, but got 5% interest on the money, I’d make £9k (after the £85 fine).
£9k for 120hrs work seems good to me.
I took would like to take up this offer.
ruffianrevolution on
It doesn’t matter. As soon as she said she’s going to pay it back, the government can spend all of it, on a promise. Just like banks and your mortgage.
Lower_Kaleidoscope_3 on
Didn’t she know, this is the UK, only politicians and the rich can fraudulently take money!!!
BestUserNamesTaken- on
An unfit mother with her children no longer in her care.
OokiiSaizu32 on
These bloody white people, already being here and claiming benefits they’re not entitled to.
Sszaj on
Assuming she just put the £16500 in to a reasonable ~4ish % fixed saver for the 22 years she’d be able to pay it back with just the interest. Nice.
MostlyBoatsandBikes on
Don’t buy into this bullshit narrative.
Look at the wealthy who are getting away with millions and they’re never brought to justice and held to account.
tinkrizzy on
Lol I was reading the comments and forgot I was on this weird tankie UK sub. Back to ignore.
RJLHUK on
Seriously couldn’t give a fuck about this. The ruling class are getting away with so much worse in this country.
loverofthings25 on
Maybe if this lady defrauded them out of millions, they would’ve just left her alone.
Defiant-Sand9498 on
I know someone who got done for £96k, got sent to jail on a Friday, the judge brought her back on the Monday because he was worried about it effecting the kids and released her, she has to repay it at a bullshit rate, she will be dead and it still won’t be paid off, and she’s still spiting kids out on her 9th or 10th kid, 5 or 6 baby daddys. Got to love the justice system
painteroftheword on
When I briefly worked for the DWP spoke with a lady who’d had a £20k overpayment because of an entitlement screw-up by the benefits office. The benefits system is so complicated these errors happen quite often.
She was paying it back at something like £5 a week 😂
Accurate_Group_5390 on
As opposed to all the businesses given £50k back in Covid who’ll never pay it back.
HeadBat1863 on
My kneejerk reaction to benefit fraud is „hang ‚em and flog ‚em“ but this time round I decided to read the story.
Questions:
1. if someone is incapable of looking after their own kids and has them taken into care, how can we expect them to be capable of doing the admin to inform relevant bodies of a change to their circumstances?
2. if someone is incapable of looking after their own kids and has them taken into care, shouldn’t that agency be issuing markers out to other state bodies to do things like automatically cancel related benefits?
Given that the majority of „benefit fraud“ comes about from changes in personal circumstances, I’m increasingly believing that we could reduce this with better administrative processes. How much time and money at the DWP and in the courts has this wasted?
JackStrawWitchita on
For all the ‚lock her in prison!‘ types reading this: remember it costs taxpayers (you and I) £52,000 to keep one person locked in prison for just one year.
Same-Nothing2361 on
Nice story. How about we talk about the billionaires stealing money instead.
Monkeyboogaloo on
She has got a suspended prison sentence. Sending her to jail benefits no one.
She is clearly a f*ck up as she’s had her kids removed.
£60 a month repayment doesn’t sound a lot but it’s a balance, paying it back isn’t meant to be a punishment, that’s what the prison sentence is for.
Current_Influence831 on
You shouldn’t need to steal benefits in the UK. This labour government gives to the scroungers and takes from the workers.
Nidhoggr54 on
She should be blacklisted from being able to claim until she’s paid off. Make it exactly like a uni loan FFS! she starts paying it back when she earns so much and just a percentage and that way it is in her best interests to work on paying it off sooner if she wants to regain the safety net she already used up when she didn’t actually need it.
vizard0 on
Something worth remembering is that the ideal amount of fraud is not actually zero. You want a system to be open enough that people can easily enter into it when they are at a low. The good done by the system in supporting people weighs out the harm done by small fraud cases like this.
always-tired-38 on
Well i’m going to make a prediction before opening the link
She’s actually had an extra few quid week for the last 10 years due to an over site on her part
Edit
Oof i was wrong
Nielips on
How can we justify charging interest on student loans at ridiculous interest rates, education which actually helps the economy, but then when it comes to fraud they don’t apply interest. It ridiculous.
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A pound a week, Gwen? What does she take me for, a fool? I’ll be 104 by the time it’s paid off
This seems like a reasonable outcome? There’s no point trying to force her to pay it quicker if she simply doesn’t have any money. She also got a suspended sentence and unpaid work.
I suppose being law-abiding I don’t get the interest-free long term £16.5k loan.
Ha, should be a baroness and nick hundreds of millions and not pay any back.
Remember, the real punishment will be having a criminal record for fraud follow her around for life. She will be turned down for jobs, she’ll be turned down by landlords, she’ll be turned down for loans, she’ll be turned down for all kinds of things, even volunteer roles, because of this conviction. Paying back the money is nothing compared to the lifelong impact of a criminal record for fraud.
She’s totally screwed over her life by doing this.
Just be recommended as a Baroness by the PM and never have to pay a penny. Simple
…whereas Michelle Mone won’t have to pay back a penny of the millions she and her husband fraudulently took. Funny old world, isn’t it!
It’s difficult to assess but the fact she’s employed should indicate that she has the means to contribute more – even if we base it on her working part time then she should have the obligation to work longer to pay her debts.
It shouldn’t be her will we (the state) bend to.
It’s people like this that are turning the ordinary working public against the welfare state and the general idea of taxation. How do you think stealing £16,500 from the taxpayer sits with the minimum wage worker whose taxes helped pay for this and knows how much trouble they’d be in for stealing £16,500? Then of course add to that the fact that this money for meant to be for for her 3 children but they’d been taken into care because she was clearly unfit to look after them.
Humans have a strong sense of injustice (even other primates like monkeys have it) don’t underestimate its power.
People are more angry about this than they are about the big companies avoiding corp tax and it’s very telling
This is the true two-tier society we live in.
Middle earner? You’re held to account.
Too rich or too poor? You get a free pass.
Sickening.
I was accused a few years back of being overpaid HB from 10 years previous and the local council even admitted they couldn’t find a record of it just a note saying I owed it and took £25 a week to pay it off.
I was on disability related UC and it caused me a lot of distress, couldn’t afford heating, food went down to bread and pasta etc.
+£85 fine +120 hours community work.
If I took a 16500 loan for 22 years and paid it back monthly, but got 5% interest on the money, I’d make £9k (after the £85 fine).
£9k for 120hrs work seems good to me.
I took would like to take up this offer.
It doesn’t matter. As soon as she said she’s going to pay it back, the government can spend all of it, on a promise. Just like banks and your mortgage.
Didn’t she know, this is the UK, only politicians and the rich can fraudulently take money!!!
An unfit mother with her children no longer in her care.
These bloody white people, already being here and claiming benefits they’re not entitled to.
Assuming she just put the £16500 in to a reasonable ~4ish % fixed saver for the 22 years she’d be able to pay it back with just the interest. Nice.
Don’t buy into this bullshit narrative.
Look at the wealthy who are getting away with millions and they’re never brought to justice and held to account.
Lol I was reading the comments and forgot I was on this weird tankie UK sub. Back to ignore.
Seriously couldn’t give a fuck about this. The ruling class are getting away with so much worse in this country.
Maybe if this lady defrauded them out of millions, they would’ve just left her alone.
I know someone who got done for £96k, got sent to jail on a Friday, the judge brought her back on the Monday because he was worried about it effecting the kids and released her, she has to repay it at a bullshit rate, she will be dead and it still won’t be paid off, and she’s still spiting kids out on her 9th or 10th kid, 5 or 6 baby daddys. Got to love the justice system
When I briefly worked for the DWP spoke with a lady who’d had a £20k overpayment because of an entitlement screw-up by the benefits office. The benefits system is so complicated these errors happen quite often.
She was paying it back at something like £5 a week 😂
As opposed to all the businesses given £50k back in Covid who’ll never pay it back.
My kneejerk reaction to benefit fraud is „hang ‚em and flog ‚em“ but this time round I decided to read the story.
Questions:
1. if someone is incapable of looking after their own kids and has them taken into care, how can we expect them to be capable of doing the admin to inform relevant bodies of a change to their circumstances?
2. if someone is incapable of looking after their own kids and has them taken into care, shouldn’t that agency be issuing markers out to other state bodies to do things like automatically cancel related benefits?
Given that the majority of „benefit fraud“ comes about from changes in personal circumstances, I’m increasingly believing that we could reduce this with better administrative processes. How much time and money at the DWP and in the courts has this wasted?
For all the ‚lock her in prison!‘ types reading this: remember it costs taxpayers (you and I) £52,000 to keep one person locked in prison for just one year.
Nice story. How about we talk about the billionaires stealing money instead.
She has got a suspended prison sentence. Sending her to jail benefits no one.
She is clearly a f*ck up as she’s had her kids removed.
£60 a month repayment doesn’t sound a lot but it’s a balance, paying it back isn’t meant to be a punishment, that’s what the prison sentence is for.
You shouldn’t need to steal benefits in the UK. This labour government gives to the scroungers and takes from the workers.
She should be blacklisted from being able to claim until she’s paid off. Make it exactly like a uni loan FFS! she starts paying it back when she earns so much and just a percentage and that way it is in her best interests to work on paying it off sooner if she wants to regain the safety net she already used up when she didn’t actually need it.
Something worth remembering is that the ideal amount of fraud is not actually zero. You want a system to be open enough that people can easily enter into it when they are at a low. The good done by the system in supporting people weighs out the harm done by small fraud cases like this.
Well i’m going to make a prediction before opening the link
She’s actually had an extra few quid week for the last 10 years due to an over site on her part
Edit
Oof i was wrong
How can we justify charging interest on student loans at ridiculous interest rates, education which actually helps the economy, but then when it comes to fraud they don’t apply interest. It ridiculous.