That’s Putin’s goal. The longer the war goes on the more people will get tired of supporting Ukraine, which means they’ll have no choice but to turn to Russia.
johnbonjovial on
Its the same everywhere there’s refugees. I pray i never have the misfortune of becoming displaced. Poor bastards having to put up with the biggest losers in their host country criticising them.
Ialaika on
Poland itself, back in the 1990s and 2000s, had serious problems, even if not a war. They weren’t invaded for breaking free from being Soviet vassals, but they were a poor country whose migrants flooded Western Europe, and a country that desperately wanted to join it.
And when the core EU countries made Poland a full partner and allowed it to become prosperous, it’s disgusting to watch a sizeable part of the population become ungrateful and arrogant toward countries that want to follow the same path, like Ukrainians.
And on top of that, this group has a condescending attitude not only toward Ukrainians, but toward the EU itself. They think that without this organization, and without the huge number of Ukrainian migrants doing the hardest jobs in Poland, they would still somehow prosper.
Stikkychaos on
When in a foreign country, either learn local or communicative language.
That’s why im not particularly amused by fellow Poles abroad, especially ones I met in thr UK, absolutely refusing to learn English and proud of it.
Heroyem on
Guardian click bait IMO.
Zacna_Pyza on
It’s a similar story how British treated Poles, during Brexit in particular. When you have a huge influx of immigrants in a short period then quality of life for natives go down (higher prices for rent, bigger competition for jobs, there is no pressure to raise salaries or work conditions for workers anymore because boss can say „I have 10 immigrants for your place if you don’t like working here“, wait longer for hospital visits, longer traffic jams in the biggest cities, cashiers and waitress sometimes don’t speak your language and it makes you frustrated, cultural/historical clashes and differences etc). At the same time economists and elites are happy because they have a new cheap labour source, new desperated renters, clients, more taxes and GDP rise. Immigration is cool when it’s done gradually and infrastructure is updated. It wasn’t possible in Poland’s case because war can’t be predicted. If you add Russian war propaganda machine, Russian bots, AI and fake news then it’s a really spicy mix.
LieGrouchy886 on
Physical confrontation is always bad, but they should be learning language of their host country regardless.
KindnessComesBack2U on
Conversely, Poland is benefiting – in multiple ways – from Ukrainians finding refuge there from the Russian invasion (in other words, OP may be just trying to sow discord with this one sided article):
Wouldn’t kids learn Polish rather quickly in any case since they go to school there?
IgorGirkinStrelkov2 on
Russian and nationalist propaganda is trying to create divisions between Poles and Ukrainians.
Especially with older people and harassment is especially noticeable from older women, well, because they know no one will hit them in the face for saying something offensive.
HatIntelligent6028 on
Is the USA, a leaked memo states that the USA is trying to pull Poland out of EU. Posts like this seem to be in furtherance of that goal.
metrize on
it is still poland after all, their racism and xenophobia won’t change that quickly
ApicnicwithTarkin on
Western Ukraine’s and the Ukraine language is quite similar to Polish it’s the eastern ukraines that speak more Russian who might or would struggle more – however, if all Ukrainians can speak Ukrainian but maybe choose to speak Russian or a more Russian dialect – there should be little to no issue
Edit: addendum
wordswillneverhurtme on
Its a reasonable ask. I know a few Ukrainians in my city and while I didn’t have a positive interaction they were learning my language at least. Maybe they were required that by the government but I think if you want to live here for a long time, its best for everyone if you learn the language. Even just at basic level.
ExpressGovernment420 on
I mean, it is strange that even youth doesnt learn local languages much anymore. For example, I had a young Ukrainian boy (15) talk to me in russian. And when I asked how long he has lived in Latvia, he said 2 years. Yet in those 2 years he hasnt learnt a Latvian or even English. There should be some knowledge of local language by this time.
ImSuchASpud on
OH whats that? Your people are being murdered? WELL SPEAK FUCKING POLISH THEN YOU TWATS.
Stupidity has inherited the earth
GreenEyeOfADemon on
Author of this article:
Shaun Walker
>Previously, he spent more than a decade in Moscow and is the author of The Long Hangover: Putin’s New Russia and the Ghosts of the Past.
>Walker has been criticised for some of his pro-Russian writings prior to 2022, including a 2014 article for *The Guardian* entitled „I can’t stop dreaming about Vladimir Putin“, and his positive comments on Russia at the time of the 2018 World Cup. He has also been criticized for not adequately considering the perspective of Russia and Putin in his reporting.
Griffolion on
Damn, all of this echoes how I personally witnessed Poles being unjustly treated in the UK. It was awful, especially during Brexit.
NoRecipe3350 on
From what I’ve read on this matter, the situation in Poland seems to be how the Brits felt about Poles and other Eastern Europeans who arrived in large numbers after 2004 EU expansion. A lot of anger about perceived ‚cheap workers‘ who work for the low wages because they live in large numbers in a house to save on rent. Also crime rates, public drunkeness etc. Which is ironic.
Although there is a supposed ‚Slavic brotherhood‘ that exists between Poland and Ukraine while the bonds between the UK and Poland were really about WW2. I mean when I was a kid in the 90s the only foreigners most Brits would see were French, Germans, Italians, Spaniards and perhaps a few Dutch or Scandinavians. Post communist/Eastern European countries just didn’t exist to us.
lesdegas11235 on
Most of the Ukrainians I met in Wroclaw spoke Polish quite well. There is no reason to think that others living elsewhere in Poland would not make the same effort. Ukrainian children attend Polish schools and they already speak Polish without any trace of foreign accent. Guess that the author is troubling the waters for a reason known to himself.
CallsignPreacherOne on
Doesn’t it just make sense to learn the language of the country you live in? It certainly helps you with career opportunities.
Lost-Klaus on
Poland isn’t exactly known to be very tolerant of people with different backgrounds.
I am not passing judgement on this, its just a trope that poland is known for, regardless of if it is true or not.
UltraBakait on
I don’t understand why Poles are apparently racist against Ukrainians.. would have thought that they would be more sympathetic due to the common Russian threat.
ImportantCat1772 on
I find it weird when people treat very similar languages to this level of importance. Ukrainian and Polish.. they’re almost the same language, theres probably more difference between two Arabic dialects than the two
Mezzoski on
An attitude learned by the Polish hard way, among others in UK over recent years, I’d say.
scp_euclid_object on
The “need to learn language of the host country” doesnt justify attacking people on the street. We are stressed all the time. We are trying to work full time jobs, rise kids, learn language and not die from early stroke in a meanwhile. Harassing us will not help to learn language faster. It just a way to attack weakest for your own entertainment(and maybe your fella bullies)
Exotic_Air7985 on
Same happens in Romania where the refugees needs to deal with a 40% illiterate population who hates them.
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That’s Putin’s goal. The longer the war goes on the more people will get tired of supporting Ukraine, which means they’ll have no choice but to turn to Russia.
Its the same everywhere there’s refugees. I pray i never have the misfortune of becoming displaced. Poor bastards having to put up with the biggest losers in their host country criticising them.
Poland itself, back in the 1990s and 2000s, had serious problems, even if not a war. They weren’t invaded for breaking free from being Soviet vassals, but they were a poor country whose migrants flooded Western Europe, and a country that desperately wanted to join it.
And when the core EU countries made Poland a full partner and allowed it to become prosperous, it’s disgusting to watch a sizeable part of the population become ungrateful and arrogant toward countries that want to follow the same path, like Ukrainians.
And on top of that, this group has a condescending attitude not only toward Ukrainians, but toward the EU itself. They think that without this organization, and without the huge number of Ukrainian migrants doing the hardest jobs in Poland, they would still somehow prosper.
When in a foreign country, either learn local or communicative language.
That’s why im not particularly amused by fellow Poles abroad, especially ones I met in thr UK, absolutely refusing to learn English and proud of it.
Guardian click bait IMO.
It’s a similar story how British treated Poles, during Brexit in particular. When you have a huge influx of immigrants in a short period then quality of life for natives go down (higher prices for rent, bigger competition for jobs, there is no pressure to raise salaries or work conditions for workers anymore because boss can say „I have 10 immigrants for your place if you don’t like working here“, wait longer for hospital visits, longer traffic jams in the biggest cities, cashiers and waitress sometimes don’t speak your language and it makes you frustrated, cultural/historical clashes and differences etc). At the same time economists and elites are happy because they have a new cheap labour source, new desperated renters, clients, more taxes and GDP rise. Immigration is cool when it’s done gradually and infrastructure is updated. It wasn’t possible in Poland’s case because war can’t be predicted. If you add Russian war propaganda machine, Russian bots, AI and fake news then it’s a really spicy mix.
Physical confrontation is always bad, but they should be learning language of their host country regardless.
Conversely, Poland is benefiting – in multiple ways – from Ukrainians finding refuge there from the Russian invasion (in other words, OP may be just trying to sow discord with this one sided article):
https://tvpworld.com/89398784/report-ukrainians-in-poland-provide-net-gain-for-polish-health-fund
https://censor.net/en/news/3591422/nawrocki-says-ukrainians-in-poland-have-integrated-and-contributed-to-economy
https://apnews.com/article/poland-ukraine-president-exhumations-nationalism-7b442b3e82cee9c0f92a3601a0e85761
Wouldn’t kids learn Polish rather quickly in any case since they go to school there?
Russian and nationalist propaganda is trying to create divisions between Poles and Ukrainians.
Especially with older people and harassment is especially noticeable from older women, well, because they know no one will hit them in the face for saying something offensive.
Is the USA, a leaked memo states that the USA is trying to pull Poland out of EU. Posts like this seem to be in furtherance of that goal.
it is still poland after all, their racism and xenophobia won’t change that quickly
Western Ukraine’s and the Ukraine language is quite similar to Polish it’s the eastern ukraines that speak more Russian who might or would struggle more – however, if all Ukrainians can speak Ukrainian but maybe choose to speak Russian or a more Russian dialect – there should be little to no issue
Edit: addendum
Its a reasonable ask. I know a few Ukrainians in my city and while I didn’t have a positive interaction they were learning my language at least. Maybe they were required that by the government but I think if you want to live here for a long time, its best for everyone if you learn the language. Even just at basic level.
I mean, it is strange that even youth doesnt learn local languages much anymore. For example, I had a young Ukrainian boy (15) talk to me in russian. And when I asked how long he has lived in Latvia, he said 2 years. Yet in those 2 years he hasnt learnt a Latvian or even English. There should be some knowledge of local language by this time.
OH whats that? Your people are being murdered? WELL SPEAK FUCKING POLISH THEN YOU TWATS.
Stupidity has inherited the earth
Author of this article:
Shaun Walker
>Previously, he spent more than a decade in Moscow and is the author of The Long Hangover: Putin’s New Russia and the Ghosts of the Past.
[Shaun Walker „journalist“](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Walker_(journalist)#Political_views)
>Walker has been criticised for some of his pro-Russian writings prior to 2022, including a 2014 article for *The Guardian* entitled „I can’t stop dreaming about Vladimir Putin“, and his positive comments on Russia at the time of the 2018 World Cup. He has also been criticized for not adequately considering the perspective of Russia and Putin in his reporting.
Damn, all of this echoes how I personally witnessed Poles being unjustly treated in the UK. It was awful, especially during Brexit.
From what I’ve read on this matter, the situation in Poland seems to be how the Brits felt about Poles and other Eastern Europeans who arrived in large numbers after 2004 EU expansion. A lot of anger about perceived ‚cheap workers‘ who work for the low wages because they live in large numbers in a house to save on rent. Also crime rates, public drunkeness etc. Which is ironic.
Although there is a supposed ‚Slavic brotherhood‘ that exists between Poland and Ukraine while the bonds between the UK and Poland were really about WW2. I mean when I was a kid in the 90s the only foreigners most Brits would see were French, Germans, Italians, Spaniards and perhaps a few Dutch or Scandinavians. Post communist/Eastern European countries just didn’t exist to us.
Most of the Ukrainians I met in Wroclaw spoke Polish quite well. There is no reason to think that others living elsewhere in Poland would not make the same effort. Ukrainian children attend Polish schools and they already speak Polish without any trace of foreign accent. Guess that the author is troubling the waters for a reason known to himself.
Doesn’t it just make sense to learn the language of the country you live in? It certainly helps you with career opportunities.
Poland isn’t exactly known to be very tolerant of people with different backgrounds.
I am not passing judgement on this, its just a trope that poland is known for, regardless of if it is true or not.
I don’t understand why Poles are apparently racist against Ukrainians.. would have thought that they would be more sympathetic due to the common Russian threat.
I find it weird when people treat very similar languages to this level of importance. Ukrainian and Polish.. they’re almost the same language, theres probably more difference between two Arabic dialects than the two
An attitude learned by the Polish hard way, among others in UK over recent years, I’d say.
The “need to learn language of the host country” doesnt justify attacking people on the street. We are stressed all the time. We are trying to work full time jobs, rise kids, learn language and not die from early stroke in a meanwhile. Harassing us will not help to learn language faster. It just a way to attack weakest for your own entertainment(and maybe your fella bullies)
Same happens in Romania where the refugees needs to deal with a 40% illiterate population who hates them.