Ich dachte, dieser Sub würde es zu schätzen wissen.
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Selbstmordraten nach Bundesstaat
Karte des Waffenbesitzes nach US-Bundesstaaten
Ich weiß, dass Korrelation nicht dasselbe ist wie Kausalität, aber es scheint einen bestimmten Trend zu geben.
Von Speartree
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There’s obviously some correlation given that it’s harder to mess up an attempt with a firearm. So, it’s a more effective means.
A third chart would be very interesting – suicide attempt rates. This would highlight the effectiveness of firearms as it relates to the topic.
A fourth could be good as well – depression rates.
Motive, means, and opportunity. It’s certainly related but only one of several factors. The isolation and rugged individualism of the west is also a factor, for example.
Lot of outliers though.
I believe those states that are dark on both are also heavy alcohol consumption. Not discounting the connection though.
Another quarter in the New Mexico is Hell Jar
Pretty close to population density maps (California, i95 states, Illinois vs. Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alaska).
Even altitude correlates pretty heavily with these maps.
To draw any statistical relevance you’d need a scatter plot with an r value. You’d also want to control for other variables like poverty, bankruptcy, etc that are common causes of severe stress/suicide – if you want to prove that more guns cause more suicide.
Color coded map doesn’t tell us much.
So, Intermountain west has high suicide rates.
Upper intermountain west and midSE have high gun rates.
Some overlap, but clear there are several other factors at play. Seems fairly week to me.
With 50 states, there are always lots of opportunities to ’see what you are looking for‘ in these sorts of maps.
Dude, the maps for nearly everything in America are about the same*. Education, happiness, cost of living, exercise, politics, dietary habits, religion. Everything is all intertwined and not one thing causes another.
*= Except Utah. You never know where Utah is going to go.
Look at world data. US is middle of the pack for suicide rate.
Aren’t these basically just population density graphs?
I mean if I ever wanted to kill myself the easiest and best way and probably what I would do is a buy a gun and use it. So I think they’re just related not associated.
What I got out of it was the more rural the more suicide. Which IMHO has nothing to do with guns except that more rural is more guns which is not causal. The causal part is that guns are very good at killing a person, so suicide „attempts“ are lethal, plus people that actually want to kill themselves use a gun for that reason.
It’s possible the correlation would be stronger if you controlled for race. The south has a lower rate than gun-ownership alone would predict but that may be due to large black population. Whites are more likely to kill themselves than blacks
People act like because you have the freedom to move, you have the means or balls to do so. That’s not true. You see places with guns. I see places where people feel stuck and hopeless, lonely and bored with not much better to do than drink and fuck. I see places with such neglect the brain drain is immeasurable.
I have absolutely no confidence in gun ownership statistics.
Many (if not most) gun owners would never answer a survey about gun ownership.
Men are generally the ones who commit suicide with a firearm so I’d be curious to see a map of suicides committed by only women.
As an Idaho resident it’s a lot more about lack of mental health care than anything.
Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming have higher suicide rates because of several reasons.
Lotta those places are poor as hell, too, and many dark for most of the year.
Correlation does not imply causation. But also, this only considers successful suicide attempts, and firearms are particularly successful as a means of suicide. If we consider all suicide attempts does the map still hold?
Mental Health First Aid can help responders or family members to recognize the suicide risk and intervene. Men overwhelmingly pick a gun to commit suicide. The intervention is to put as much distance between the decision to commit suicide and the firearm.
From cross examining multiple maps, gun prevalence is a high factor, but it’s also correlated with isolation. There’s basically three factors: some amount of contribution from gun prevalence and isolation independently. But also lack of religiosity (a major deterrent).
Imagine a lone home in the mountains with lots of alcohol, guns, and no church community. Ya that’s the highest risk unfortunately
it is also just the fact that it is easier, if you are suicidal and have a gun in your room it is probably more likely that you do it than uf you have to go all the way to a bridge to jump from.
Rurality is linked to suicide rates as well, even when controlling for gun ownership.
The culture differences, economic opportunities, drugs, etc… we know all contribute to high suicide rates.
While this evidence isn’t very good, there is better evidence for short term reductions in overall suicide rates via means reduction. However claiming a long term reduction in suicide rates is still unsubstantiated.
Could be co variation. Guns ownership and sparse population are correlated and suicide is correlated with loneliness