If people keep calling it „United States of Europe“ I’m going to start voting far right just to never see that name on a map >:c
Smart-Protection-845 on
Eventually we’ll get there but it will take time
Longjumping-Boot1886 on
can we call it Roman Empire, just in case?
Jakethepeggie on
Politico is openly anti-eu and aims to divide. This is how they sold Brexit.
CluelessExxpat on
Isn’t this contradicting the reports that said Gen Z’s males are more conservative than, say, millenials?
Could someone step in and clarify?
Novel_Quote8017 on
People genuinely look at the EU commission and think that’s the ideal form of governance. Again an issue where my theory of mind just starts to fucking fail at some point.
nextstoq on
I’m a long way from being a kid, and I’d vote for a tighter union.
SufficientLibrary386 on
YES!! Why do you think Europapa was such a hit?? 🎶🎵
GreyBlueWolf on
we are not states, we are nations. So the name makes no sense. European Federation, Union or Empire will have to be a pan-nationalist project anyway.
QwertzOne on
While I’d like united Europe, I don’t think it will solve anything for the people. We need participatory democracy, equality, we must change fundamentals, empower people. I don’t see it happening under current conditions, we would just become more like China and US, so capitalism dominance would be still intact and that’s root cause of various issues, which won’t be solved by more centralization and less democracy.
JRK_H on
The same children who can’t tell the difference between a fish and a fillet? The EU will fall apart sooner than it will unite. I certainly won’t allow Germany to decide about my country.
SnailSlimer2000 on
Im very pro Eu but this is like my worst nightmare.
I wanted that already when in was 10 years old; now I’m 85
thelawenforcer on
cant access half the memes he posted in his article due to the Digital Services Act needing to verify my age.
HagueHarry on
>Rob Jettens, the 38-year-old centrist who recently won the most votes in Dutch elections,
they can’t even spell Rob Jetten correctly
QuirkyReader13 on
Not just kids
The_balt on
After reading the article, now I get why there is so much group-think and slogans over pragmatism in this sub 😆
CertainMiddle2382 on
The love the idea of power it embeds, for good reasons.
Would they like it as much once the all powerful European administration asks them paperwork about every minute detail of their lives?
I suppose some of them want to actually work in the EU administration, which is actually a very good move.
dickie_anderson99 on
I don’t really see an alternative to federalisation if Europe wants to be serious about protecting its own interests on the world stage. Unless we want to continue being under the thumb of superpowers like the US or China. For cultural and historical reasons we cling to the notion that we’re all special unique little islands who need to be treated as such, despite it making us much weaker
Kesher123 on
They don’t.
I swear, news websites push whatever agenda they like, and twist facts and words to fit their narrative. You have completely opposite news everyday, reported by different websites, using the same data and sources.
Twisting facts to fit a narrative is everyday thing now, I see.
Siebenfresse on
Not only the kids. The majority of the adults I know want this too, me included.
Abel_V on
A lot of people get fixated on the name, but that’s just an evocative description, not a name proposal. We are too far from a step of integration where name discussions would hold any meaning.
That being state, the Victor Hugo quote in the article could be turned into a really good name: „The European Brotherhood“
Ok_Snow_2079 on
Politico is owned by Axel Springer,a publisher and owner of the biggest german Newspaper Bild e.g.
The CEO and part-owner of Axel Springer is Mathias Döpfner. Mathias Döpfners Son Moritz Döpfner is/was the Chief of Staff at Thiel Capital, yes that Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel famously finances and supports JD Vance. The common denominator is their anti EU stance. Make of that what you will.
But in my opinion this is simply a hit piece on the EU to frame it a certain way brought to you by Peter Thiel.
xlouiex on
Bora Caralho!
Conscious_Archer2658 on
Unironically. I feel myself a European citizen before Dutch.
I would love a properly federalized Europe. Of course under the condition that all European states are treated as equals. So long as we don’t do that stupid electoral college thing the US does.
Lazy-Course5521 on
An European federation besides the EU would be pretty nice honestly. Have a trade and a political union, absolute win.
stekarmalen on
Id rather EU got reformed. Or we left and did a nordic union insted.
EU was good as a core, travel, trade and aid.
Now its a bureaucratic union that thats trying to centralise its power. Like bro remember when they desided how long a cucumber was alowed to ve like what lol.
Lightninstu on
1 year old account, posts hidden, posting politico shit. Bot account, act accordingly.
Distinct_Albatross_3 on
If it ever happen I pray for them to choose a name different than „United State of Europe“. European Federation sound way better
kutuup1989 on
The kids? I’m 36 and I’d be for it.
whatstefansees on
It’s not just the Kids. My wife and me are 60 and members of the very pro-European Volt party, demanding the United States of Europe.
Gawkhimmyz on
I approve of more EU integration, via [Multi-speed Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-speed_Europe), so long as we dont call it the „United States of Europe“ – Fvcking hate that name… sounds really idiotic in my countries language.. and we dont all wanna be muricans…
TrollOdinsson on
Can we PLEASE ban politico??
Rich-Current9488 on
Why not just fucking Europe
AdminEating_Dragon on
Whataboutism from the Politico journalist.
From what I know about UEF (JEF is their youth section), they are a proper Eurofederalist movement based on values, rule of law and liberal democracy.
Some of the people quoted in the article (anonymously…) are a caricature of European federalism.
It has nothing to do with empires and far right bigotry.
Politico should cover European Federalism focusing on substance, and not drawing parallels with the far right …
Motor-Profile4099 on
Fuck politico.
ahyesmyelbows on
We should call it the Holy Roman Empire.
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If people keep calling it „United States of Europe“ I’m going to start voting far right just to never see that name on a map >:c
Eventually we’ll get there but it will take time
can we call it Roman Empire, just in case?
Politico is openly anti-eu and aims to divide. This is how they sold Brexit.
Isn’t this contradicting the reports that said Gen Z’s males are more conservative than, say, millenials?
Could someone step in and clarify?
People genuinely look at the EU commission and think that’s the ideal form of governance. Again an issue where my theory of mind just starts to fucking fail at some point.
I’m a long way from being a kid, and I’d vote for a tighter union.
YES!! Why do you think Europapa was such a hit?? 🎶🎵
we are not states, we are nations. So the name makes no sense. European Federation, Union or Empire will have to be a pan-nationalist project anyway.
While I’d like united Europe, I don’t think it will solve anything for the people. We need participatory democracy, equality, we must change fundamentals, empower people. I don’t see it happening under current conditions, we would just become more like China and US, so capitalism dominance would be still intact and that’s root cause of various issues, which won’t be solved by more centralization and less democracy.
The same children who can’t tell the difference between a fish and a fillet? The EU will fall apart sooner than it will unite. I certainly won’t allow Germany to decide about my country.
Im very pro Eu but this is like my worst nightmare.
Ban Politico
Not a kid but me too. As did this guy: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Mazzini](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Mazzini)
I wanted that already when in was 10 years old; now I’m 85
cant access half the memes he posted in his article due to the Digital Services Act needing to verify my age.
>Rob Jettens, the 38-year-old centrist who recently won the most votes in Dutch elections,
they can’t even spell Rob Jetten correctly
Not just kids
After reading the article, now I get why there is so much group-think and slogans over pragmatism in this sub 😆
The love the idea of power it embeds, for good reasons.
Would they like it as much once the all powerful European administration asks them paperwork about every minute detail of their lives?
I suppose some of them want to actually work in the EU administration, which is actually a very good move.
I don’t really see an alternative to federalisation if Europe wants to be serious about protecting its own interests on the world stage. Unless we want to continue being under the thumb of superpowers like the US or China. For cultural and historical reasons we cling to the notion that we’re all special unique little islands who need to be treated as such, despite it making us much weaker
They don’t.
I swear, news websites push whatever agenda they like, and twist facts and words to fit their narrative. You have completely opposite news everyday, reported by different websites, using the same data and sources.
Twisting facts to fit a narrative is everyday thing now, I see.
Not only the kids. The majority of the adults I know want this too, me included.
A lot of people get fixated on the name, but that’s just an evocative description, not a name proposal. We are too far from a step of integration where name discussions would hold any meaning.
That being state, the Victor Hugo quote in the article could be turned into a really good name: „The European Brotherhood“
Politico is owned by Axel Springer,a publisher and owner of the biggest german Newspaper Bild e.g.
The CEO and part-owner of Axel Springer is Mathias Döpfner. Mathias Döpfners Son Moritz Döpfner is/was the Chief of Staff at Thiel Capital, yes that Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel famously finances and supports JD Vance. The common denominator is their anti EU stance. Make of that what you will.
But in my opinion this is simply a hit piece on the EU to frame it a certain way brought to you by Peter Thiel.
Bora Caralho!
Unironically. I feel myself a European citizen before Dutch.
I would love a properly federalized Europe. Of course under the condition that all European states are treated as equals. So long as we don’t do that stupid electoral college thing the US does.
An European federation besides the EU would be pretty nice honestly. Have a trade and a political union, absolute win.
Id rather EU got reformed. Or we left and did a nordic union insted.
EU was good as a core, travel, trade and aid.
Now its a bureaucratic union that thats trying to centralise its power. Like bro remember when they desided how long a cucumber was alowed to ve like what lol.
1 year old account, posts hidden, posting politico shit. Bot account, act accordingly.
If it ever happen I pray for them to choose a name different than „United State of Europe“. European Federation sound way better
The kids? I’m 36 and I’d be for it.
It’s not just the Kids. My wife and me are 60 and members of the very pro-European Volt party, demanding the United States of Europe.
I approve of more EU integration, via [Multi-speed Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-speed_Europe), so long as we dont call it the „United States of Europe“ – Fvcking hate that name… sounds really idiotic in my countries language.. and we dont all wanna be muricans…
Can we PLEASE ban politico??
Why not just fucking Europe
Whataboutism from the Politico journalist.
From what I know about UEF (JEF is their youth section), they are a proper Eurofederalist movement based on values, rule of law and liberal democracy.
Some of the people quoted in the article (anonymously…) are a caricature of European federalism.
It has nothing to do with empires and far right bigotry.
Politico should cover European Federalism focusing on substance, and not drawing parallels with the far right …
Fuck politico.
We should call it the Holy Roman Empire.