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    Die Ukraine sei bereit, ihre Ambitionen auf einen Nato-Beitritt aufzugeben, sagt Selenskyj

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    3. SHOOHS on

      Ukraine should most definitely be in NATO but here we are. This current timeline is backwards.

    4. thomasbeagle on

      „NATO? That old thing? Sure, we can give that up. But we aim to be a founding member of the European Defence Alliance.“

    6. CatalyticDragon on

      Why does Russia (and therefore the US) want this? Because a ceasefire gives Russia time to rebuild forces and then when they *inevitably* attack again Ukraine won’t have NATO support.

      Ukraine should agree to nothing except a full withdrawal with no conditions and they should continue to seek NATO membership.

    8. dbxp on

      I wonder if this is more that NATO isn’t so valuable under Trump especially with Poland’s and Germany’s large armoured vehicle orders

    10. malachiconstantjrjr on

      Like words mean anything to Russia, just say ‘ We won’t join NATO’ then go fucking join NATO. What are they going to do? Invade again and lose another 1.25 million of their population? Something something Warsaw Pact…

    13. Dookie120 on

      It’s good to have this on the table. Ukraine becoming a NATO member especially right now was always a negotiating tactic. Membership usually takes years even after formal application & required reforms are done. During an active war they also cant get it. If they can somehow get real security guarantees by offering this up now it’ll be fine.

    15. Peach-Grand on

      Maybe they can agree that if Russia invades again it’s an automatic joining of NATO.

    16. fuzzyfrank on

      If anyone here gets the chance, please watch 2000 Meters to Andriivka. It just came out, and it’s free on YouTube and documents the intense fighting and sacrifices of this war. Published by The AP and PBS, same director as 20 Days in Mariupol. Well worth the 2 hours. 

      https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4Cgy56slU

    17. n1gr3d0 on

      That would require changing their constitution. And, AFAIR, Zelenskyy has always maintained that they can’t concede any land because that would require changing their constitution, which requires a referendum.

      So what has changed for him to promise this?

    18. Safety_Drance on

      And that’s how you know the war and all efforts to stop Russia have been for nothing.

      A war of attrition they would have won with US support except that Putin has pictures of Trump blowing either a horse or a man named Bubba.

      Meanwhile, time to go to war with Venezuela for some reason. A country that despite Trump and conservative media claims, does not actually produce or smuggle fentanyl into the US.

    19. AlexandbroTheGreat on

      The European countries that matter militarily need to separately conclude a pact with Ukraine if they believe the US is unreliable. Ukrainian forces will be very important to the balance of power in Europe for a long time and the other Europeans  need to worry less about what they will do if Russia attacks Ukraine again and more about locking in Ukrainian participation against Russia if the Baltics are invaded.

    22. groovyinutah on

      Just say whatever you gotta say to get them to leave and you can reconsider later…that’s what they would do.

    23. Immediate_Formal_252 on

      Just goes to show how piss weak NATO has been and will be forever

    24. abc123DohRayMe on

      Trump is ruining NATO anyway. Europe can do up a new treaty organization and invite Ukraine to join.

    25. ScarletViolin on

      This is probably obvious to some people but I finally realized that Trump actively undermining NATO / making fun of EU to weaken the alliance was probably to try and steer Ukraine towards this as a bargaining chip.

      Maybe I’m giving the Alzheimer in chief too much credit though.

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