This should be the immediate end of Poilievre’s leadership. 1 more floor crossing and his inability to keep his MPs in check and supporting him will gift Carney a majority.
Blue_Dragonfly on
Any word as to why this MP has decided to cross the floor?
Asadleafsfan on
Michael Ma, CPC MP from Markham-Unionville, just north of Toronto. Won his race by just 3 percentage points as a consequence of the resignation of Paul Chiang.
Markham-Unionville turns red again.
GirlCoveredInBlood on
Certainly wasn’t expecting this today. Good luck to him & his family with the harassment they’re about to receive
Gym_frere on
If you can’t even keep your caucus together, how can you be expected to govern for all Canadians?
Pierre should avoid being embarrassed at his leadership review, and just step down now.
hopoke on
Canada is gradually turning into a one-party country at the federal level, as I predicted.
NDP supporters are already known to abandon their party en masse, and vote for the Liberals during election time. It was only a matter of time before we observed this phenomenon with the more moderate Conservatives.
VelvetFurryJustice on
Poilievre is doing a great job for his country. I think the only funnier thing is if he crosses the floor and vows to not participate and have his vote be whipped.
Fluffy_Moose_73 on
Woah, did not expect that to happen, especially with the house rising today.
So the libs are one away from a majority now?
Mauriac158 on
Look I don’t like Carney or the Liberals at all, but the complete implosion of Pierre’s „Conservative“ party has been a real pleasure to watch. There’s just no feasible way they can justify keeping him in leadership.
Now if only the NDP could get their poop in a group enough to actually pressure Carney from the left properly. Surely we have someone in the vein of Zohran Mamdani somewhere around this massive country right? …right?
Nate33322 on
Oh damn didn’t really know anything about him so wasn’t expecting him to cross the floor. With two defections and one mp resigning under suspicious circumstances it really weakens Poilievre’s position
yyzEthan on
God, I’d love to know what’s going on under the hood at CPC HQ.
I figured the floor crossing were over a done with and that the CPC had managed to close ranks. Evidently not.
Liberals are one off a majority now, I believe. If another floor cross happens, and the liberals eek out a majority due to Polievre’s miserable Caucus management and leadership it would hugely embarrassing for him.
Do the CPC caucus knife him ala O’toole if that happens?
AprilsMostAmazing on
It’s a GTA MP. This is pretty much worse case for CPC. With one GTA MP jumping, you can expect a whole bunch of others to go independent at min in the near future
penis-muncher785 on
If the liberals straight up gain a majority from floor crossings is that 100% unprecedented I’ve never heard of it happening in general
Icy-Artist1888 on
‚STOP the CROSS‘!
That should take care of it.
dalunb8 on
> The MP said in a statement that he made the decision after listening to his constituents in the riding of Markham-Unionville in the Greater Toronto Area
If that is true. Then he should resign and run again in a by-election. If his constituents really do want a liberal MP they will send him back to parliament.
AegonTheCanadian on
I mean, if all of them basically won their seats through tough canvassing work and beating their Liberal / NDP opponents on messaging & policy in the eyes of their constituents, then it must seem unfair to be bossed around by a guy who didn’t go through what they went through.
Pierre didn’t win his own seat fairly – so would it be fair for them to treat him as a leader? I think they’re beginning to see that now.
heart_under_blade on
bush and advisor.jpg
this one is kinda a bit more high profile than d’entrement and generoux, no?
i stg if someone goes „french last name, of course bad guy and not tru conservative“
stans are mostly on the attack now, but some are still calling for self reflection (as in, we should stop being so vile towards „others“) so i guess it’s not that bleak
i guess „who tf needs the left“ kinda governance is really starting to work out huh
mosasaurmotors on
If the Libs get to a majority through floor crossings that feels pretty un-democratic to me.
Like I know that’s how it works. But let’s not pretend this is a good thing.
doomwomble on
On the PP leadership question, the difficult question is what small-C conservatism opposition looks like with the PM we have now.
Our PM is for all intents and purposes a modern conservative now that no party cares about balanced budgets and social conservatism is understood to be a losing position by most parties.
The only real hope in the short term is that the NDP siphons votes off on the left. Otherwise you have to wait for Carney to implode. With PP being so oppositional by nature, it’s hard to understand where he gets the energy to oppose so vigorously considering the LPC are saying they will do most of what PP said the CPC would do before the election.
JaneGoodallVS on
Jamil Javani is next!
„I can’t live with what’s become of today’s Conservative Party. Pierre Polievre’s Conservative Party isn’t the Conservative Party _I_ grew to know and love!“
Hennahane on
Poilievre really should have taken the hint when he lost his seat the first time, he’s felt like a dead man walking ever since. Dragging on like this cannot be the less humiliating option
zoziw on
Ma wasn’t even one of the MPs that people thought was considering moving to the Liberals.
How far off is a majority government? Just one more floor crosser.
Tall_Insect9784 on
How does a community vote conservative candidates in for their policies and then still end up with a liberal. Crossing the floor should trigger an election for that riding.
Coffeedemon on
As much as the idea of floor crossers would have to be the nail in the coffin for PP I’m not sure I want this iteration of the liberals to have a majority (even if it is currently a defacto one with everyone else being so useless).
SaidTheCanadian on
> The new addition to the Liberal caucus means Carney is one seat away from a majority government.
Do you think that the math makes it more probable that at least one more MP will cross? It effectively guarantees the next floor-crosser increased job stability, likely less stress, greater impact, etc… and it’s no long a collective action problem.
HotbladesHarry on
It should really cause quite a lot of concern to Canadians to learn that our two largest political parties are essentially standing shoulder to shoulder, if the ideology is so thin that you can just change your coat and fit in perfectly, We got a big old problem going on.
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This should be the immediate end of Poilievre’s leadership. 1 more floor crossing and his inability to keep his MPs in check and supporting him will gift Carney a majority.
Any word as to why this MP has decided to cross the floor?
Michael Ma, CPC MP from Markham-Unionville, just north of Toronto. Won his race by just 3 percentage points as a consequence of the resignation of Paul Chiang.
Markham-Unionville turns red again.
Certainly wasn’t expecting this today. Good luck to him & his family with the harassment they’re about to receive
If you can’t even keep your caucus together, how can you be expected to govern for all Canadians?
Pierre should avoid being embarrassed at his leadership review, and just step down now.
Canada is gradually turning into a one-party country at the federal level, as I predicted.
NDP supporters are already known to abandon their party en masse, and vote for the Liberals during election time. It was only a matter of time before we observed this phenomenon with the more moderate Conservatives.
Poilievre is doing a great job for his country. I think the only funnier thing is if he crosses the floor and vows to not participate and have his vote be whipped.
Woah, did not expect that to happen, especially with the house rising today.
So the libs are one away from a majority now?
Look I don’t like Carney or the Liberals at all, but the complete implosion of Pierre’s „Conservative“ party has been a real pleasure to watch. There’s just no feasible way they can justify keeping him in leadership.
Now if only the NDP could get their poop in a group enough to actually pressure Carney from the left properly. Surely we have someone in the vein of Zohran Mamdani somewhere around this massive country right? …right?
Oh damn didn’t really know anything about him so wasn’t expecting him to cross the floor. With two defections and one mp resigning under suspicious circumstances it really weakens Poilievre’s position
God, I’d love to know what’s going on under the hood at CPC HQ.
I figured the floor crossing were over a done with and that the CPC had managed to close ranks. Evidently not.
Liberals are one off a majority now, I believe. If another floor cross happens, and the liberals eek out a majority due to Polievre’s miserable Caucus management and leadership it would hugely embarrassing for him.
Do the CPC caucus knife him ala O’toole if that happens?
It’s a GTA MP. This is pretty much worse case for CPC. With one GTA MP jumping, you can expect a whole bunch of others to go independent at min in the near future
If the liberals straight up gain a majority from floor crossings is that 100% unprecedented I’ve never heard of it happening in general
‚STOP the CROSS‘!
That should take care of it.
> The MP said in a statement that he made the decision after listening to his constituents in the riding of Markham-Unionville in the Greater Toronto Area
If that is true. Then he should resign and run again in a by-election. If his constituents really do want a liberal MP they will send him back to parliament.
I mean, if all of them basically won their seats through tough canvassing work and beating their Liberal / NDP opponents on messaging & policy in the eyes of their constituents, then it must seem unfair to be bossed around by a guy who didn’t go through what they went through.
Pierre didn’t win his own seat fairly – so would it be fair for them to treat him as a leader? I think they’re beginning to see that now.
bush and advisor.jpg
this one is kinda a bit more high profile than d’entrement and generoux, no?
i stg if someone goes „french last name, of course bad guy and not tru conservative“
stans are mostly on the attack now, but some are still calling for self reflection (as in, we should stop being so vile towards „others“) so i guess it’s not that bleak
i guess „who tf needs the left“ kinda governance is really starting to work out huh
If the Libs get to a majority through floor crossings that feels pretty un-democratic to me.
Like I know that’s how it works. But let’s not pretend this is a good thing.
On the PP leadership question, the difficult question is what small-C conservatism opposition looks like with the PM we have now.
Our PM is for all intents and purposes a modern conservative now that no party cares about balanced budgets and social conservatism is understood to be a losing position by most parties.
The only real hope in the short term is that the NDP siphons votes off on the left. Otherwise you have to wait for Carney to implode. With PP being so oppositional by nature, it’s hard to understand where he gets the energy to oppose so vigorously considering the LPC are saying they will do most of what PP said the CPC would do before the election.
Jamil Javani is next!
„I can’t live with what’s become of today’s Conservative Party. Pierre Polievre’s Conservative Party isn’t the Conservative Party _I_ grew to know and love!“
Poilievre really should have taken the hint when he lost his seat the first time, he’s felt like a dead man walking ever since. Dragging on like this cannot be the less humiliating option
Ma wasn’t even one of the MPs that people thought was considering moving to the Liberals.
How far off is a majority government? Just one more floor crosser.
How does a community vote conservative candidates in for their policies and then still end up with a liberal. Crossing the floor should trigger an election for that riding.
As much as the idea of floor crossers would have to be the nail in the coffin for PP I’m not sure I want this iteration of the liberals to have a majority (even if it is currently a defacto one with everyone else being so useless).
> The new addition to the Liberal caucus means Carney is one seat away from a majority government.
Do you think that the math makes it more probable that at least one more MP will cross? It effectively guarantees the next floor-crosser increased job stability, likely less stress, greater impact, etc… and it’s no long a collective action problem.
It should really cause quite a lot of concern to Canadians to learn that our two largest political parties are essentially standing shoulder to shoulder, if the ideology is so thin that you can just change your coat and fit in perfectly, We got a big old problem going on.