Ich habe dieses Zigarettenetui neulich in einem Wohltätigkeitsladen in Großbritannien abgeholt. Ich wollte herausfinden, wann/wo/von wem es hergestellt wurde. Ich kann weder eine Herstellermarkierung noch einen Stempel darauf finden. Die Karte selbst gibt natürlich einen allgemeinen Zeitrahmen an, aber nichts Konkretes.
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1pdkuft
Von RaspberryAware8071
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Look for the history of Stettin (northeast of the German map)
Before 1960 it wasn’t polish so maybe some time there
But also unsure what the diagonal lines are saying
Edit: Thanks for the correction! Polish in 1945!
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I don’t really know what cigarette cases like, but you could invite it for a smoke.
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I prefer dating girls, but ok. You do you.
Well, Chemnitz was renamed to Karl-Marx-Stadt in 1953 (til 1990), but I don’t think every Western manufacturer would’ve recognized this.
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My guess is that this was made for allied military personnel in Germany:
– „Germany“ not „Deutschland“
– Smaller cities like Idar-Oberstein, Bad Tölz and Donaueschingen are mentioned. These had important garrisons.
– „Chemnitz“ instead of „Karl-Marx-Stadt“, Halle, Erfurt and more missing.
– Saarland part of Germany, so after 1957.
The Saarland has a dotted line surrounding it. West Germany is split in half, north and south. The northern part is the British occupation zone, the darker south consists of the French and the American zone.
The Saarland was separated from Germany in 1946/47. The UK and the US didn’t recognize this split, which would explain the dotted line. It reunited with Western Germany in 1956.
The importance of the occupation zones dropped with the founding of the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949, but was still kind of relevant for the British Army of the Rhine BAOR.
So my first guess would be 1947-1949, but perhaps 1947-1956, considering that you found it in the UK.
Since the Rhine river didn’t form the displayed shape until roughly 10 000 years ago, I’d say probably less than 10 000 years old
Just judging by what is pictured there are some clues:
So there very clearly is a border between west and east Germany, so it’s probably from before 1990.
The outer borders of the whole of germany a re post second world war.
That leaves us with a timeframe from probably 1949-1990. Why 49 and not 45? Because the west is pictured as one country and not as the 3 occupied zones.
Another clue, allthough ambiguous is the use of Chemnitz as a city name. From 1953 to 1990 it was renamed to Karl-Marx-Stadt.
So if this cigarette case would have been produced in the former GDR it would have been from sometime between 49-53, if the geographical features were indicative of production date.
However I would rather assume a production in West Germany, as there are quite a few smaller western cities named but only very few and only major eastern cities.
And that might muddle the Chemnitz clue. I have no idea, whether Karl-Marx-Stadt was widely used in the west, or if many people at least unofficially continues to use Chemnitz instead.
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