Toxische Männlichkeit verringert indirekt das Hilfesuchverhalten, indem sie Männer dazu ermutigt, Emotionen zu unterdrücken | Die Ergebnisse können dazu beitragen, Bemühungen zur Verbesserung des Zugangs zu psychosozialen Diensten für Männer zu unterstützen, die trotz erhöhter Suizidrisiken in Behandlungseinrichtungen nach wie vor unterrepräsentiert sind.
Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions
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Did they look into how women view men who show vulnerability?
Does the author here know what the word „indirectly“ means? There’s nothing indirect about this.
Telling men „be macho unfeeling men“ *directly* reduces help-seeking behaviors.
Or: “Toxic masculinity cultures external blame and grievance thinking, leading men to attribute personal problems to out-groups rather than examining underlying causes.”
I’m not toxic at all but the last time I cried with anyone around I got laughed at. So I bottle it up anyway.
Edit: Typo
You don’t bottle your feelings, you sort them into categories „useless so no need to feel it,“ „fixable/solvable so no need for concern,“ and „sucks but just have to accept it and the feeling will pass so it doesn’t matter much.“
They go away on their own.
„Indirectly“… not really. That is one of the major parts of the reason it’s toxic. They are directly telling guys to be unfeeling!
Interestingly in my personal life the men who make themselves really vulnerable and dump all of their emotional thinking out in the open have all seemed to be really unstable people. The vulnerability did not seem to help them.
>Men who endorsed traditional masculine norms centered on dominance and aggression
There is zero backup for why dominance and aggression are „traditional masculine norms.“ The term toxic masculinity is too loaded and it is a total fabrication to say that dominance and aggression are traditional masculine norms.
The image of men being aggressive and dominant is something from the movies. I would tell the author to try reading some books about male characters and if all you get is aggression and dominance then you aren’t trying hard enough. Most men lead lives of quiet desperation.
Headlines like this are clickbait.
Serious question: The term „toxic masculinity“ is not a psychological term with an agreed-upon definition so much as a self-help one from the 80s that gets applied to all sorts of things. On top of that, there’s no evidence that it is real.
How does this pop culture stuff make it’s way into scientific studies?
There’s a pretty obvious counterexample: Criminal behavior associated with the described traits has been going down for decades, as suicidal behavior has gone up.
So when Women tell a guy to „Man up“ are the women also participating in Toxic Masculinity?
This is nonsense and a made up narrative.
Masculinity isn’t toxic and it doesn’t mean that you bottle up your feelings.
“Not asking for directions” is about the most stereotypical example of toxic masculinity, so no surprise.
It seems reasonable that it’s the result of traits or behaviors that are actually adaptive and beneficial in some circumstances, but are no longer beneficial when taken to the extreme or misapplied.
In this case it’s probably that being competent, capable, and emotionally stable is valued highly, so asking for help is basically admitting to others that you’re not those things. So toxic masculinity is probably an effort to present yourself as something you’re not in an effort to compete for mates with men who are genuinely ARE competent and emotionally stable.
I bet it really is a net benefit for some men it’s more subtle, but like basically any trait it can be obviously negative when taken too far.
I think you mean, directly.
If we can’t help ourselves, we die. Simple as that.
„Toxic masculinity“ as a term really shouldn’t be elevated to the point where it’s in the title of a paper as a given part of a larger critique. Personally I think the term itself is entirely harmful to the most at-risk men and boys.
It doesn’t acknowledge the reality that in many ways and in many situations, „just man up“ is in many ways the best advice available for men (or more accurately, the least bad advice). Engaging in help-seeking behavior carries major risk for not a ton of benefit.
Gendering the term is almost doublespeak in a way, as it makes this entirely a male problem when the reality it’s a societal problem, or perhaps an evo-psych problem in part. And it has this strange innuendo that crops up in a lot of places where essentially men are viewed as something akin to defective women, largely disregarding the possibility that there might simply be generalizable differences. It’s entirely possible that boys categorically thrive l in different scholastic environments compared to girls, that men thrive in different workplace environments compared to women, etc. And similarly, men may require different therapeutic techniques, and men may in fact have different social needs.
To what degree each of those claims is true is hard to say because research that is willing to frame things in along those lines is not really that common in part because it’s sort of taboo to even go there, to not stick to frameworks around gender as an entirely social construct, „men don’t have problems, men are the problem“ narratives, etc.
I opened up twice, both times it ended up backfiring. I’d rather keep my issues to myself as I resolve them and hope others give me the same courtesy.
To cry like a woman? It’s a disgrace!!!
Men keep saying that women use it against them, find them less attractive cause sharing feelings is feminine, they arent taken seriously especially around female on male DV
Alot of vegan women who are against animal abuse are not attracted to vegan men who are against animal abuse
[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-023-01420-7](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-023-01420-7)
[https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7e58z/do-vegan-men-give-women-the-ick](https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7e58z/do-vegan-men-give-women-the-ick)
[https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/dating-double-standards](https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/dating-double-standards)
More feminist/misandrist laughing
[https://entertainment.ie/tv/tv-news/watch-jeremy-kyle-schools-audience-that-laugh-at-male-domestic-abuse-victim-214979/](https://entertainment.ie/tv/tv-news/watch-jeremy-kyle-schools-audience-that-laugh-at-male-domestic-abuse-victim-214979/)
[https://www.9news.com.au/health/video-shows-people-laugh-when-woman-abuses-man/7b8a9b16-f8ce-4f5a-ba9f-014550fc8247](https://www.9news.com.au/health/video-shows-people-laugh-when-woman-abuses-man/7b8a9b16-f8ce-4f5a-ba9f-014550fc8247)
What a pathetic study.
Lots of people in these comments don’t seem to realize that every man has tried opening up or being vulnerable to someone before. The fact that so few are willing to try again or even admit it should tell you everything you need to know about society.